Teaching Salvation (by an Almighty God) to Christian Evangelicals

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    Sidenote: “I am not sure what evangelical means exactly, so I reserve the right to be one of those.” LOL

    I think it means “someone who is so insecure in their own spirituality that they are argumentative and antagonistic of anything not already familiar to them. They are afraid of learning. Specifically, they are ignorant of the fact that the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD convened to create a ‘new deity’ borrowing from the myths of Krishna, Dionysus, Mithras, Osiris, and, before all of those, Tammuz. Folks who are unfamiliar with those older myths may not recognize the same elements in the popular version of Jesus. This new deity was not really a new deity though, but just a new Roman name for an old form of religion. This Christ was another of several Roman Christs- not the first- for Christ was an old Roman title.”
  • Not only do most “evangelicals” not know about any of that (as far as I know?), but they would be terrified to learn of it. Their idolatry is complex, so to talk to them requires a lot of “transitional issues” like “do you worship a God who is jealous of other gods and other religions like some Hebrews… or do you worship an Almighty God who has no such insecurities because the Almighty God has created all of the religions? If you do not worship the Almighty Creator, how do you explain all of the things that you say that your God did not create? I thought you were a monotheist. Are you saying now that there are at least two Gods?”
  • “I am not a Hindu myself, but in the Hindu tradition, there is a single Almighty God which has three aspects: what you might call a trinity of a Father. Mother, and Child. However, all of those three aspects are said to be like branches of a single tree. Each branch is entirely composed of tree.”
  •  (or… has 3 powers: the power to create, the power to sustain, and the power to destroy. For instance, Shiva (is the name in the language used by Hindus) for the Almighty God’s power to destroy. Do you agree that an Almighty God must have all of these aspects: to create, to sustain, and destroy… or do you disagree with the Hindus on that point? Do you think that there is some other God than yours who have those abilities and that your so-called “monotheistic” God does not?)
  • Regarding Heaven, they are concerned about whether THEY will go there or not and they are so out of touch with their own paranoia and shame that use it to justify AGONIZING now. They are in hell.
  • (They use the subject of heaven and hell to justify agonizing over things like what church their kin attends.)

    “If you say that heaven is eternal, then why aren’t you experiencing it now? Is it a sin to distress over whether you will be lonely after you die if your family members are not with you? Are you concerned that you will be suffering without them? In other words, are you concerned that you will suffer eternal punishment in hell?”

    “Has Jesus saved you already or are you waiting until after you stop agonizing for him to save you later?”

    “Anyway, back to the Hindus, they not only taught that the Almighty God is the entire tree as well as all of the branches, but that even if a leaf falls from that tree, it is still a perfect creation of the Almighty. If it falls three inches, it still has the same perfection as if it falls nine inches.
  • There is no other God but God. There is only one Almighty Creator. There is no power outside of God. If something happens, that is the Will of God.

    Those who worship a single branch may say that some branches should be and some branches should not be. They reject the work of the Almighty God and they reject monotheism in favor of their idolatry. However, this is also the perfect will of the Almighty who has used this process to humble the arrogant by giving them both the experience of sin and, eventually, of salvation.”

    “What source do you assert for your religion? Is it from an Almighty God?
  • Pick another religious tradition from your own- perhaps Amish or Hindu or Anglican or Norse or Mormon or Egyptian. Now, what source do you assert for that tradition?

    Do you assert that there are multiple powers (that do not have any common roots) which create these various traditions? Or, do you assert that there is a common root which has put every hair on the head of every creature that has ever lived, that has created every language and ever word and has caused these words right now to be sequenced just in this sequence before you… and has also caused for you to be able to understand them?”

    Do you reject the idea of a single Almighty Creator of all things? Do you worship a creative force that you claim only created a few things?
  • “Christian, do you know which religious tradition this is from?”

    I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil.

     

     

    Do you know?

    That is from the Old Testament Hebrew Prophet most often quoted by Jesus in the New Testament.

    You know him as Isaiah.

    That is the King James translation of Isaiah 45:7. http://biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm
  •  So, Christian, are you telling me that you worship a different God than the God written about by Isaiah in the Bible?
  • Do you worship an Almighty God who even creates evil?

    Or do you worship a timid God who is terrified of evil?

     

    In other words, does your God fear evil or did your God create evil?

    Does your God fear hell or did your God create hell?

    Does your God fear sin or did your God create sin?

  • Does your religion teach you to condemn what God has created or to respect what God has created?

    Does your religion teach agonizing or does your religion teach faith?

     

    I’m not asking if faith will earn you salvation. I’m asking if the fruit of salvation is faith or if it is distress and paranoia. Also, is the fruit of sin faith or is it fear?
    Does your religion teach that you have definitely not experienced salvation yet, so you should stress and strive and agonize, or does your religion teach that salvation is a matter that is entirely up to the Almighty God. Does your religion worship something that is evident right now right here today- the power and grace of the Almighty God- or does your religion worship some alleged higher priority? What is the higher priority to you: to humble yourself in gratitude right now to the power and grace of the Almighty God which is evident to you now or to reject that option and instead obsess and agonize and distress over some human speculations about salvation?

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2 Responses to “Teaching Salvation (by an Almighty God) to Christian Evangelicals”

  1. Ruth Olson Says:

    A true Evangelical does not need to resort to name calling, belittling, and other negative verbal language to make a point. Neither did Jesus. Jesus is the example of needed behavior knowing that we will fail in this life of being perfect. You are so steeped in history, a good thing, but you have not learned to know the person of Jesus and His personality. Jesus could argue you to death on history and win; however, history will pass and what will remain is what Jesus is concerned about. Not winning arguments. We all should just let it go and live what we know about who Jesus was in his personality and behavior on a daily basis and strive to think and behave in controversy like he did with forgiveness, mercy to those we think don’t deserve it and other unthinkable mercies that those of us to day are so caught up in our ego to surrender and become like Christ….not arguing over titles, dogma, who’s right/wrong….etc.

    • jrfibonacci Says:

      Thank you for your comment and your interest. Consdier that the statement “we all should just…” is implicitly idealistic.

      Are you familiar from direct personal experience with the meaning of Colosssians 3:11? It says “The Messiah is all and in every person.”

      By the way, the idea that Jesus taught something fundamentally new may correspond to an ignorance of the teaching of prior Prophets (especially Isaiah, whom Jesus quoted extensively). Recognize God. That is the essence of the first commandment. That’s it!

      That does not require knowing the English language or worshiping the word “evangelical” or any other word or phrase. Worship of such sacred things as if they are holy is idolatry. Those things are only sacred, not holy.

      For more background, see: https://jrfibonacci.wordpress.com/2013/12/23/on-conformity-to-popular-idealisms-of-the-world/

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