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before language separated church and state

"I believe in an America where the separa...

“I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.” – John F. Kennedy (Photo credit: Chris D 2006)

I found a truly amazing website today. It is for those with open minds and emotional intelligence, as in spirits of grace and hearts of peace.

In other words, some of it would be extremely disturbing to various mainstream beliefs- like terrifying. So, for those with courage, here is some background.

Earlier today, I saw a page of the site and wrote this in response to it:

https://jrfibonacci.wordpress.com/the-linguistic-isolating-of-justice-from-money/

I published that long commentary as a page rather than a post because the content is more controversial than I wanted to put on the front of my blog this morning. As of this afternoon, however, I am still reading the website that provoked my response and I find that site’s content quite fascinating- maybe as exciting as when I first found the books of Douglas Harding and finally all modern religions (of the last few thousand years) were clear as branches of a single tree. Well, this goes even deeper- at least in terms of the intersection between history and mythology.

So, I find the scholarship behind that site excellent- mostly- though perhaps lacking in a certain distinction about the function of language in general and in particular of authority in language (as referenced in the link to my comment this morning). Here is the site: the site

Again, consider that his connections of facts are excellent, but his interpretations may be subjective. I have already sent him an email inviting a dialogue. (AND HE PROMPTLY REPLIED, SEE https://jrfibonacci.wordpress.com/the-linguistic-isolating-of-justice-from-money/#comment-4641 )

A statue of Justice on the tympanum of the Old...

A statue of Justice on the tympanum of the Old Supreme Court Building, . (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

My basic concern, which leads to the title of this blog post, is with his interpretation that there was ever a conflict between temple priesthoods and bankers (courts, governments) at some time in the past. In other words, this is about the alleged separation of church and state.

I say that governments are religious and ritualistic and that there never was a separation between church and state, which is just a propaganda myth issued by the ruling “churches” of modern government. Here is some evidence:

US Supreme Court building, front elevation, st...

US Supreme Court building, front elevation, steps and portico. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Note also that many court buildings of today have columns just like the temples of Greece and Rome and Egypt and Babylon. Court systems of today are the temples of ancient times. The US Senate is an exact duplicate of a European Cathedral. The Washington Monument is a phallic obelisk in Washington D.C. of religious architecture from Egypt.

Of course, that is also an interpretation. However, I expect that any archaeologist would agree that the first centers of civilization (human population) were temples and only later that courts (and cities and bazaars of merchants) evolved from those central temples.

The Senate's side of the Capitol Building in DC.

The Senate’s side of the Capitol Building in DC. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Further, most of mainstream science is challenged by the content of the site linked above. However, I consider the temples of old to be the direct ancestor of the ruling court systems of today. I am not aware of any actual evidence to the contrary.

Troy writes of the first lunar cults and their activities on the steps of their temples:

Français : Sacrifice humain chez les Aztèques ...

Français : Sacrifice humain chez les Aztèques English: Aztec human sacrifice (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

“It’s almost impossible to contemplate what these Bluebloods were thinking of in their belief that disgusting and perverted rituals (like human sacrifice) could alter the physical courses of physical planetary bodies.  However, it seems this toxic nonsense was now a worldwide phenomena.”

That is a horrible interpretation. The author (Troy) presumes sincerity in the public statements of the high priests of ritual human sacrifice (whether Aztec, Holy Roman Inquisition, modern judicial execution, etc). The priests told the people that these sacrifices appeased the gods. That was just propaganda. That was just the published rationalization. That claim was just part of the terrorism and tyranny.

From the Bible, we know the story of Abraham and his son to be executed as a sacrifice to God. That however could be just a model for public propaganda, just a parable, just a rationalization published by the priests of the empires of human sacrifice.

Troy’s lack of reference to the basics of propaganda seems unusual. Clearly, he is a smart guy. He even makes some rather direct references like in his section “ritual as validation of the elite.” He just only went as deep as he went.

Sure, Moses may have interpreted various natural events as instructive in regard to what is practical and functional for humans. So what? He could have just said so directly, right? However, the story of Moses is a justification or rationalization for a moral system of rewards and punishments, as in a legal system or a justice system.

I recently saw someone reference the US Constitution(or maybe it was the Declaration of Independence) as sacred. It is. Sacred is a way of relating to something. Some people treat court systems and governing systems and “originating documents” (like Constitutions of ink and Commandments etched in stone) as sacred and holy. Consider the origins of the Book of Mormon. 

Washington Monument, Washington D.C., United S...

Washington Monument, Washington D.C., United States as viewed at twilight/dusk. Taken by myself with a Canon 5D and 24-105mm f/4L IS lens. Español: El Monumento a Washington al atardecer Magyar: A Washington emlékmű Polski: Pomnik Waszyngtona o zmierzchu (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

So, why do Western churches often have brutal depictions of whipping and torture and crucifixions? Perhaps it is to shock, awe and terrorize people- and remind them of the power of the Empire. It could be the same reasons that gargoyles of flying monkeys are on cathedrals- to frighten conformity, just like with the wicked witch in the story of Oz and her squadrons of flying monkeys (agents of her court system of violence justice).

James Cook, English navigator, witnessing huma...

James Cook, English navigator, witnessing human sacrifice in Taihiti (Otaheite) c. 1773.jpg James Cook, English navigator, witnessing human sacrifice in Taihiti (Otaheite) c. 1773. Engraving from an 1815 edition of Cook’s ‘Voyages’ (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

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2 Responses to “before language separated church and state”

  1. august43 Says:
    April 24, 2012 at 4:13 pm | Reply

    Thanks for the link. I for one believe in the separation of church and state in the USA. Clearly this has not been the case in most other states in the past, with results that I consider calamitous.

  2. Darnell Lapham Says:
    May 18, 2012 at 1:22 am | Reply

    Darnell Lapham…

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