On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Michael wrote:
Hi JR,
Often we have a difference of opinion on a lot of things, or so it seems with the language we chose to use.
However, much value is found in your perceptions…….
So, I have a few questions for you if you are willing.
It is regarding the sweat lodge incident in Angel Valley: http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/03/01/arizona.sweat.lodge.deaths/index.html
I always thought he was guilty of disrespecting the ceremony in many ways but is he really guilty of manslaughter?
The people went in freely, signed a written lease form of what will happen and where warned that the lodge will be really hot.
I agree that he conducted the ceremony poorly and should have done a lot of things differently.
But just cuz people paid for this and seemed to follow this guru blindly doesn’t make him a murderer.
A small story:
[I recently led a sweat lodge]. It was done with all the precautions that was required and I added to it.
I actually only heated 6 grandfathers [rocks]. The lodge was incredibly hot, I checked in with the men over and over and
The doors both front and back were open last 2 rounds. Passing water and checking in with the man next to me
Who may have some macho attitude he kept saying he was good.
After the lodge he was not good. It took quite some time, oxygen and a lot of attention to get him back to reality.
He could have sat there till he died because he chose to…….
In this context, I feel that the people where totally ignorant to their own safety. When you go on to a retreat like that, does that mean that now you don’t have any responsibility for your self. What if you are allergic to peanuts, but now you are on this great spiritual retreat and are not responsible? Perhaps on some level the whole retreat is about self-responsibility?
What is your views and opinions my friend??
On a spiritual level they probably chose to go at that time [the people who died related to the manslaughter case] but how could you take that to court- lol
Blessings of Love and peace,
Michael
Responsibility is always individual, but also always mutual. I declare responsibility into being. There is no such thing as inherent responsibility, but only in language.
We could blame Jimmy Carter for being ineffective in his warnings and political will. We could blame J.P. Morgan and the Rothschilds for advancing the use of fossil fuels through their own little empire called Standard Oil. We could blame the involved microbes and neurons or the sun and the earth. All of that would be our own activity… of blaming.
(See also the transcript I recently sent of the radio interview about swine flu and AIDS and AZT and so on. Here is the audio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbFxV_C8Yw4 )
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