new myth, old god (and the origin of heaven and hell on earth)

 

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NEW MYTH, OLD GOD


myth 

1830, from Gk. mythos “speech, thought, story, myth,”
[C19: via Late Latin from Greek muthos:  fable, word]
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/myth
Santa Claus with a little girl Esperanto: Patr...

Santa Claus with a little girl Esperanto: Patro Kristnasko kaj malgranda knabino Suomi: Joulupukki ja pieni tyttö (Photo credit: Wikipedia)


Myth means a story. Specifically, a myth is a story told for the purpose of influencing an audience (whether or not that purpose is recognized or admitted).
Even more specifically, myth could mean almost any sequence of words. We can contrast myths with other sequences of words, like a simple list of different colors- such as red, white, and blue- which does not qualify as a story, right?
As an example of a myth, I could tell a story about a character named Santa Claus (or “Father Christmas“), who once upon a time met some children and bribed them by promising them a pleasant surprise in the near future. So, the story I could tell about Santa Claus might be influential whether or not any particular element of the story is already popular or famous or familiar.
I could call the story a metaphor or a parable or a joke or a legend or an anecdote or just a story. Even if a story is labeled entirely true, the telling of the story could still be for producing some result by influencing an audience. Since there may be no other reason for speaking except to promote certain results through influence, any story could be a myth.

If some people doubt or even reject the literal references of a story, that story can still be a myth, right? If some people believe the literal references of some story, the story can still be a myth. If some people even argue over a story, the story can still be a myth.

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Raffaello Sanzio – The Creation of Eve from Adam – WGA18600 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Hundreds or even millions of people could go to war with each other after hearing stories and then practicing, refining, and rehearsing those stories. The stories may or may not be completely true, but that may not really even be especially to the people. Some people may be more eager to argue or launch an attack than to research the details of a particular story. Some people may be more eager to make a certain purchase or cast a certain vote than to question the stories that are motivating, organizing, and producing those actions.
Mythology

Mythology (Photo credit: KairosOfTyre)

People organize their time and their behavior and their finances based on stories. However, perhaps only a few people may be curious to explore the stories that inform or form their patterns of behavior (and the results produced by those patterns of behavior).
Mythology is the study of stories told for the purpose of influencing an audience, such as the curriculum of a class or a commercial advertisement. Studying the art of story-telling and the art of influence or communication is one possible meaning of the word mythology.

1375–1425; late Middle English mythologie  < Late Latin mȳthologia
< Greek mȳthología. See mytho--logy

study of – Gk. mythos “speech, thought, story, myth,”

Masaccio, Brancacci Chapel, Adam and Eve, detail.

Masaccio, Brancacci Chapel, Adam and Eve, detail. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

In summary, a myth is an influential story. So, a “new myth” would be any influential story that is unfamiliar (“new”). The following is a new myth about an old god.
Once upon a time, there was an old god. The god had been around for a very long time, even longer than any of the stories about the old god. The god was so old that the god was called eternal, since the god was older than any stories about the god, all of which were actually invented by the god, who also invented language.
 
One old story about the god called the god by the name Indra. This story was one of the oldest stories about god. Indra was also called “huta,” which meant the invocation. By the way, invocation basically means an influential sequence of words, such as a myth.
 
So, that old word from the Sanskrit language was eventually written in some recent alphabet as “huta” which was later modified in to other words like ghuta and ghut and guth and goth and gott and god. So, the word “god” was first formed a little over a thousand years ago, but, even before that word was formed, other similar words were formed like Indra and Allah and Jehovah and YHWH and Buddha and Tao and Saturn and Set and Loki and El.
 
Indra is the god-king of heaven and god of thu...

Indra is the god-king of heaven and god of thunder, lightning and rain. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

god

O.E. god “supreme being, deity,” from P.Gmc. *guthan
 (cf. Du.god, Ger. Gott, O.N. guð, Goth. guþ), from PIE *ghut-
 “that which is invoked” (cf. Skt. huta- “invoked,” an epithet of Indra),
from root *gheu(e)- “to call, invoke.”
Origin: 
before 900; Middle English, Old English;  cognate with Dutch god,
German Gott, Old Norse goth, Gothic guth
[Old English god;  related to Old Norse goth,  Old High Germangot,  Old Irish guth  voice]
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god
So, god is a relatively new word- just over a thousand years old- representing a very old idea. “God” has to do with invocation and voice and authority and authoring as in the creating of distinct experiences through variations in speaking.
 
For instance, in one influential story, God declares a distinction between heaven and earth. Earth is the realm of external experience as in subjective perception. Heaven is the realm of internal experience as in conception or concepts or conceiving or creating or identifying or labeling.
 
So, it is said that “as above, so below.” This means that the realm of earthly experience is a product of or partner of a heavenly conceiving, as in the “immaculate” conceiving.
 
God speaks things in to existence as the reality or realm or kingdom of experience. The realm of heaven or kingdom of God is the authority of language or the reality of myth.
 
The 1st English edition of The Kingdom of God ...

The 1st English edition of The Kingdom of God Is Within You. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

 

After all, myths are a distinct part of reality, right? Myths are real stories that can be really influential. 
 
Myths are the origins of identity and experience. Myths are tools for training audiences in a particular way to relate to life. 
 
For instance, one way to relate to life is to identify particular elements of life to repress as shameful or evil or sinful or even incurable problems (since if I personally do not recognize any possible solution already, then obviously it is not possible that anyone would ever recognize a possible solution, so the problem is labeled incurable, which could just be a reflection of my ignorance of physiology or psychiatry etc). Anyway, once we have declared some sacred taboos as “the negative,” then there could be particular patterns of behavior identified that one can take to compensate for those shameful realities, as in earning one’s way in to heaven from out of hell. That is the myth of living in hell because of some “original sin.”
 
That is a perfectly valid story to tell, right? There are other stories that one could tell, but that is a very popular one.
 
Santa Claus

Santa Claus (Photo credit: Natashenka)

Another related story is that there is a god who does not condemn any perception or pattern, but recognizes the reality of something called innocence, like an innocent mistake. God forgives. God says things like “if there seems to be a problem with someone else’s perception, remove the identifying of that problem from your own perception. Stop relating to the rest of reality as a set of problems. Start some introspection. Remove the blindness and filters from your own perception first, then perhaps you can assist others in removing any perception of problems from their perspective. Remember, the perspective is the source of the perception- including a perception of a problem, which is a way of relating to something as in identifying yourself in relation to it.”
Santa Claus

Santa Claus (Photo credit: Christopher S. Penn)

 
So, are myths problems? In other words, are influential stories problems? Or, are influential stories just real influential stories?
 
Which is more important: to save the world from the problem of influential stories or to study the reality of influential stories so that one is clear that relating to influential stories as a problem is just one of many valid ways to identify or labels myths? Whichever story you tell, that is the story you will experience.
Papyrus 111 Nederlands: Papyrus 111

Papyrus 111 Nederlands: Papyrus 111 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

20The Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God would come. He answered them, “People can’t observe the coming of the kingdom of God. 21They can’t say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘There it is!’ You see, the kingdom of God is within you.”  http://gwt.scripturetext.com/luke/17.htm
20Being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The Kingdom of God doesn’t come with observation; 21neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you.”20  http://worldebible.com/luke/17.htm
And having been questioned by the Pharisees, when the reign of God doth come, he answered them, and said, ‘The reign of God doth not come with observation; 21 nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.’   http://yltbible.com/luke/17.htm
20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is withinb you.”  http://niv.scripturetext.com/luke/17.htm

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within youhttp://kingjbible.com/luke/17.htm

Halloween

Halloween (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God comes not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, See here! or, see there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.  http://kjv.us/luke/17.htm

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And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you. http://asvbible.com/luke/17.htm

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 And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come? he answered them, and said: The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For lo, the kingdom of God is within youhttp://drb.scripturetext.com/luke/17.htm

20 And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you. http://erv.scripturetext.com/luke/17.htm

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Star Wars – Darth Vader (Photo credit: Wikipedia)


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 And when he was asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation. 21 Neither will they say, Lo here! or lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you. http://websterbible.com/luke/17.htm


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 Being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God was coming, He answered, “The Kingdom of God does not so come that you can stealthily watch for it. 21 Nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ –for the Kingdom of God is within you.” http://weymouthbible.com/luke/17.htm

The Kingdom of God Is Within You (Russian: Цар...

The Kingdom of God Is Within You (Russian: Царство Божие внутри вас) is the non-fiction magnum opus of Leo Tolstoy first published in Germany in 1894, after being banned in his home country of Russia. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world….”
New Living Translation (©2007)
Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom….”
Santaclaus at Helsinki Cathedral Suomi: Joulup...

Santa Claus at Helsinki Cathedral Suomi: Joulupukki Helsingin tuomiokirkon edustalla (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Cover art by Mike Grell.

Cover art by Mike Grell. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Batman #1 (Spring 1940). Art by Bob Kane and J...

Batman #1 (Spring 1940). Art by Bob Kane and Jerry Robinson. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

http://thefineartdiner.blogspot.com/2011/11/destiny-and-wizard-of-oz.html

myth is a modern word (from the Greek) for an older Sanskrit word:

maya:

maya  (ˈmaɪə, ˈmɑːjə, ˈmɑːjɑː)
— n
Hinduism  illusion, esp the material world of the senses regardedas illusory
[C19: from Sanskrit]

ma·ya

[mah-yah, -yuh]  Show IPA

noun Hinduism .

1.

the power, as of a god, to produce illusions.

2.

the production of an illusion.

3.

(in Vedantic philosophy) the illusion of the reality of sensoryexperience and of the experienced qualities and attributes ofoneself.

4.

( initial capital letter ) Also called Mahamaya. a goddesspersonifying the power that creates phenomena.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/maya

Mythology - Hypnos

Mythology – Hypnos (Photo credit: Jess*Lo)

 

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14 Responses to “new myth, old god (and the origin of heaven and hell on earth)”

  1. tinywolfwrites Says:

    Thanks for including my post, “Don’t Lie To Me Mom! I know you’re Santa!” in your related articles. You did an incredible job pulling together so many perspectives for this post. Prolific, you are.

  2. The Archangel Gabriel « Impressions Says:

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  3. kalicharantuvij Says:

    It is like axioms vs theorems; one creates a new language, other makes sense of things in that language. Similarly, if a “myth” tells about the creation of Heaven and Earth (words not to be taken too literally), no harm is done, but if it talks about Heaven and Hell, beware.
    Rig-Veda, as you have pointed out where “God” finds his/her origin, talks about creation of Heaven-Earth as one entity in the Indra-Vrtra myth.
    Now, the basic question would be, what is Heaven-Earth?
    http://kalicharanveda.wordpress.com/

    • jrfibonacci Says:

      Namas te,

      I appreciate your comment. However, my question for you is this: can you name one anything that is not included in “Heaven-Earth?”

      • kalicharantuvij Says:

        I loved reading your “The Supremacy of language, heaven, god, and society”.
        So, there is something in *Language* which brings you, me or anyone else on a common platform… then it means we are evolving a “universal language”; an immortal language where Heaven-Earth is not fixed- all possibilities are included, simultaneously.
        When Indra, himself finite, breaks Vrtra, the Asat of Heaven, it means he destroys the fixed, ‘moral’ language. It is at the behest of Infinite Space and Time, which are external to Heaven-Earth.

    • jrfibonacci Says:

      Thank you for your reply. I am actually completely unfamiliar with your terminology of Vrtra and Asat. If what I am saying is in essence the same principle, then that is from a direct recognition which is the same one that produced the linguistic constructions of the ancient Hindu texts on the subtleties of intelligence and perception and mysticism. I did study Greek mythology, Christianity, and Buddhism, plus I have viewed many videos of Mooji (regarding Dhyana/Jnana Yoga) and I have also participated in the programs of Landmark Education, which I found not to be very direct, but perhaps that was a reflection of what I was ready to perceive at the time, not the programs themselves.

      • kalicharantuvij Says:

        I, too, am completely unfamiliar with Greek, etc; but I think we are speaking the same. Terminology may not be all-important. Asat means “Hell”, with a rider that stagnation makes even Heaven into Asat. Vrta is Asat of Heaven, Dasyu is that of Earth; Vala of Space, Pani of Time. Immortality is combining of all these four realms by virtue of Sacrifice, like Jesus did for the whole of humanity by combining Heaven and Earth.
        And, indeed, these are my own ideas, so you can safely ignore. But on internet, or blogosphere, I could not find anywhere else, to find ideas same as what I read in Rig-Veda.

      • jrfibonacci Says:

        Again, I am speaking from direct experience. Therefore, I am not subject to being confused or misled by any speculations you might make.

        When Christians without spiritual understanding reference Jesus sacrificing himself for all of humanity, consider that the actual process referenced may be the same as the vow of the Boddhisattva: “to save all sentient beings.” It is a relational perspective that is referenced. It is about humility. It means to see everyone and everything as the perfect manifestings of God (or whatever other word we might use such as Tao or Nature or perhaps even Indra or Brahma). It is the same instruction as to be as a little child so as to experience the revealing of the kingdom of heaven as in the dissolving of angst and agonizing and hell and suffering, which are all behaviors or actions of how to relate to the world as evil or frightening.

  4. kalicharantuvij Says:

    (sorry, I didn’t mean that hyperlink to prop out as the book-cover).

    I don’t feel in a position enough to be able to comment on your last comment; except, with a correction may be, as I feel, a “stupid” love of Jesus is a priceless treasure.

    I hope to follow your blogs in future as well…

    • jrfibonacci Says:

      Thank you. It is fine that the image shows. I could always remove it anyway.

      As for the “path of devotion” (or, if you prefer “karma yoga”), that is one of the most delightful “paths.” When a “stupid love” of all life is present, that is beyond words like bliss or euphoria or ecstacy or ananda, but those labels are about as close as words can get. 😉

  5. blogaboutitbob Says:

    Thank you for linking me to your blog. It is obvious that you have exceptional depth, a focused line of thinking, super intellect, and a ridiculous vocabulary. I appreciate you taking the time to read my blog. I have not had many comments on my blog. (understandably it’s a fledgling) I was wondering if you would be so kind as to give me your thoughts!

  6. Carol Dorbacopoulos Says:

    Identifying myth as an “influential story” is a great way of introducing understanding about why myths linger for so long, and why they keep on giving inspiration to artists and bloggers. Many years ago, in a time of nihilistic despair, I read Tillich’s “The Courage to Be”. It gave me courage. Myths gave me a set of maps. And lots of interesting experiences. Once a year at an ashram near where I live, they have a Durga puja. At the end of the whole shebang, and as the final ritual, they take away every single image, flower or object from the altar. In my mind, this frees the participant from the particular story without alienation setting in. I like the honesty of that and the humility. Not a word is said.

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