* heaven is here- as a pattern in language

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4 Responses to “* heaven is here- as a pattern in language”

  1. judy osmundson Says:

    ;))) Funny, I don’t mind the scriptural help. It sounds lovee to me. <3<3<3

  2. Jessica Hollen Says:

    I appreciate your distinction that children may cause trouble but don’t lay blame… Now when my son says “I’m sorry” I’ll let him know he didn’t do anything wrong… even if he just stabbed my crotch with his toes when he cuddles in bed with me. 😉

  3. Tia Says:

    Even though I find this a little confusing, I can gloc many of the words into meaning for myself(what I glean and am able to use for myself because my own experience leads me to want answers in my own life with what I perceive as your subject matter. I love the distinction around the way kids are naturally and that they can cause trouble and still be innocent. I LOVE that point!!!! Yes! Also, I glean alot of ridiculousness with the things parents, religious people and people who are judging say as rationalizations for punishing others. Thank you for this post. I am pretty sure that I agree with what you are saying- not that it matters whether I do or not. It is not a debate but rather a sharing and I thank you for sharing! I hope that I have been able to convey that I really like the way you free flow and share your words and that I can find meaning for myself in your sharing.

    • jrfibonacci Says:

      You’re welcome, Tia. here’s the next level: you are the innocent child I reference and so is everyone else, except you may not currently believe that.

      You may believe in the fundamental reality of shame, that is, in the objective existence of evil. You may have been eating from the tree of forbidding, of shaming, of condemning.

      Here are a few relevant quotes:

      “…there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”

      Shakespeare (spoken by the character Hamlet).

      “Good and evil of this world of duality are unreal,
      are spoken of by words, and exist only in the mind.”
      – Bhagavatam, XI, ch. XXII.

      John 8:15 ”You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one.” (Jesus speaking to the orthodox religious leaders)

      (paraphrased:) The one who judges other seeks to glorify (vindicate) himself. (See John 8:50)

      Those quotes are from this blog: https://jrfibonacci.wordpress.com/to-heaven-from-blame/

      In fact, please don’t believe that all of us are fundamentally innocent- instead, just explore the possibility that anything that actually happens is God’s Will. Explore even the possibility that all the references to God and the qualities of God are references to you personally. When Jesus says “I pass judgment on no one,” was he demonstrating a model for you to worship or to follow- as in explore (or, as you say, to gloc)?

      That fundamental innocence is the reference of Jesus on the cross: “they know not what they do.” While it is in stark contrast to most of what I call mainstream Christolatry, the sayings of Jesus are quite consistent: do not focus on the seeming impairment in someone else’s perception, but on refining your own focus and perception. That even includes not condemning mainstream Christolatrous devil worship, as I call it. God, by which I mean you personally, Tia, need not fear any of God’s own creation, even what some people might call the devil.

      So what if most mainstream churches worship the devil? The devil is just a model or distinction in language: https://jrfibonacci.wordpress.com/the-language-of-the-ego/

      This is an older version of the same ideas of this post:
      https://jrfibonacci.wordpress.com/is-there-life-after-hell/

      Here’s another you may not have read yet, but may love.
      https://jrfibonacci.wordpress.com/welcoming-the-richness-available/

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