On respecting pirates and government thugs

Jordan Rockwell

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A summary of my beliefs.. We’re self-autonomous individuals that are perfectly capable of managing our own persons and assets. What’s mine is mine, not yours.. what’s yours is yours, not mine. I’m responsible for myself.. you’re responsible for yourself. It would be wrong of me to force you to remedy the consequences of my irresponsibility.. It’s equally as wrong of you to force me to remedy the consequences of your irresponsibility. If we honestly need help we should be responsible and ask for it.. not try to force others to help us.

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Paul Gordon

Paul Gordon I just want bacon. And I want to eat it my way. And I want to eat when I want to eat it. I am a baconist.

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Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell Sounds like a tasty philosophy to subscribe to.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn There is a cartel of international baconsters who program the pigs to obsess over linguistic concepts of social acceptability, like is it wrong to force pigs to eat bacon… Or not exactly wrong but just a stupid waste of bacon?

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J R Fibonacci Hunn Also, Jordan I am hereby requesting your help in my plans to force some muddy pigs from their holding pen over to the slaughtering station. Bring your cattle prods.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn What I find hilarious about so many anarchist fanatics (and Austrian economics enthusiasts / libertarians) is their hysterical contempt for coercion (and predation). Of course governments are predatory.

If a governing system was voluntary, like churches requesting donations, then that is a system in which people voluntarily ally to internally govern their own households and activities. But that is just a congregation unless they get some armed thugs to impose an extortion racket on local business owners (aka sales tax / business license).

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Is it economically predictable that pirates would perform acts of piracy (isolated incidents of predation)? Yes. For governments to ritualize predation and then indoctrinate their human resources about their predatory rituals is also “economical” as in profitable / effective.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn To me, the importance of the perspective of anarchy is that we can respect all forms of predation rather than hysterically fixate on one specific form of predation as “the least predatory” or whatever.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn I do not get a hard on imagining the heroic glory of going up to some bears and shouting at them through megaphones that they should not use force to catch salmon.

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn I do not like salmon much. Let them eat salmon. Just keep the damn bears away from muh bacon!?!?

 

Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell I don’t have respect for anyone who acquires things from other humans through force or fraud.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn I have respect for pirates. They are dangerous.

I also have respect for deputy pirates from the holy empire of piracy. They are even more tricky. They also go around programming the naive about “golden rules” and then intimidate people in to compliance by spreading stories about Santa Claus magically watching whether we follow the golden rule so that he can know whether to let us in to heaven, which is eternal except that it has not started yet.

 

Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell Respect: a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

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Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell Not something I have for pirates haha.

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Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell Fear =/= respect

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Re-spect: willing to keep watching / monitoring, from the root word “spect” as in inspect, spectacle, spectator, introspection. Re-spect means to “look again” rather than fixate on a prejudiced presumption or first impression

 

Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell Or in other words.. watch your back.

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Be attentive.

 

 

Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell Watch your back… look out for yourself.. same difference.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn I respect hurricanes, but I do not “admire” them.


 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Same for wild bears and slippery pigs.

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Respect is about “recognizing it for what it is (as in without hysterical prejudice for or against).”

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Self-respect is key.

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Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell I can respect the etymology 😉

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Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell It would be interesting if we used words ‘by origin’ so to speak rather than what they’ve evolved to mean. Our conversations would look a lot different.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Also, respect that hysterical and naive people may worship an idea of Santa Claus (or Saint Peter) that is keeping score on them to send them to eternal torture or eternal paradise. That is a powerful belief system if someone sincerely believes it.

so, respecting them means be alert to the possibility that if I expose someone “negligently” to the idea of propaganda, it could be upsetting to them (demoralizing- since “my parents LIED to me”). When the rulers want to incite a rebellion so that the cops can “retaliate” and “take preventive measures” by confining people to FEMA camps and implanting chips, then they can carefully trigger outrage and contempt among the relevant demographics of human resources.

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn If I “awaken” someone who is not ready, they can get embarrassed and lash out at me.

 

Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell What does awaken mean to you?

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Again, if the rulers are inciting the masses with SWAT teams in position and ready to “retaliate,” then they WANT the masses to lash out. In fact, if the masses do not lash out as planned, then some folks from the SWAT team can dress up as protesters and then start throwing water balloons at the uniformed SWAT team, justifying a “retaliation.”

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Jordan, Many people use the phrase “to awaken someone” to mean “harass them with terrifying information about the predatory nature of all governments, especially their own government.” Of course people get upset when their programmed delusions (denials) are challenged and the true target of the “war of terror” is recognized.

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn That reminds me that just yesterday I saw several full-grown Bears hiding behind some big rocks in a stream and then grabbing salmon right out of the air as the Salmon were swimming upstream. I think those are the same group of bears that messed up your backyard that one time and killed your kittens. We need to do something about those evil bears and by we I mean you.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Keep in mind that those are also the same bears that cornered your little sister last week and told her that it is wrong to eat bacon. We can’t just sit here on Facebook and let these bears use force against salmon and intimidate little girls, can we? Using force is wrong, so let’s take our loaded assault rifles and go have a friendly talk with those evil bears. I’m sure that they just need to be shown the superiority of Christian morality over their anti-bacon insanity.

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Of course if they are not reasonable, then they probably just have rabies and we should put them out of their misery… Then stuff their corpses and mount them on our wall… You know, to defend the honor of your little sister and innocent salmon and stuff like that. I’m just so pissed that they killed your kittens!

 

Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell There’s a difference between initiating force and using defensive force. Force isn’t “bad” in and of itself. And.. harassing someone with the truth? I think not. It’s in my best interest and in the best interest of humanity in general to share the truth about the predatory and murderous nature of government.

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Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell Property/possession/homesteading yes. I take more of a homesteading approach though (utilizing the land you possess that you’ve rightfully acquired).

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Taylor Combs

Taylor Combs Homesteading is what I support too

Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell I think owning land that’s not utilized in some form or another is a selfish thing to do, but I wouldn’t seek to take said land by force if I wanted it.. I’d either try to purchase it so I could actually utilize it, or just find another location I like.

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Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell Selfishness being a vice, not a crime.

 

Taylor Combs

Taylor Combs A vice that might cost him his life

 

Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell We’ll put it this way.. Hopefully for his sake he hired an adequate defense agency 😛 But I wouldn’t participate either way.

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Jordan Rockwell
Jordan RockwellA lot of it would also depend on if the property was purchased from a community with a pre-established code/contract requiring utilization.
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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Aggression is natural. For a lion to initiate aggression against an antelope (predation) or against another lion (territorial competition) is natural. Humans also can be quite competitive and predatory.

It is in your best interest, Jordan, to respect that humans can be competitive and predatory, then to be careful about things like erecting fences to keep out foxes and tax collectors and so on. Even better than just a fence is a few guard dogs or even an entire team of secret service thugs.

If you never physically leave your “homestead,” so be it. 😉

 

Jordan Rockwell
Jordan RockwellHumans can reason. We don’t have the luxury of simply acting on instinct. Damn neocortex 😉 Utilization is a rather subjective term. Can mean different things to different people. To me though.. it sounds like you just want an excuse to be aggressive.. or an excuse to submit to the aggression of others.
J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn An excuse? Do I need an excuse to breath? To catch a fish?

Not everyone is as concerned with “making excuses” as most people. If I pay sales tax when buying fish, or if I pay for a license to catch fish, that is really none of your business, right?

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn However, if you have some emotional conflicts and contempt for “humanity,” then you might get very aggressive and harassing about “why it is obviously EVIL to pay sales taxes.”

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Not only can you hate the tax collectors and the cops and the other government employees and also people who get benefits from the government (food stamps etc), but you can even construct an excuse to hate me because I paid $2.73 of sales tax on my monthly internet service.

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn So, on behalf of humanity, I invite you to first forgive me for ruining your life by paying sales tax for DECADES without getting your approval first… And then second I will repeat to you that I could really use your help forcing these pigs in to the slaughterhouse because I am getting low in bacon and this is basically an emergency.

 

Jordan Rockwell

Jordan Rockwell It becomes my business when others advocate that I be forcibly subjugated should I choose to not comply with arbitrary dictates I’ve never consented to. And regarding paying taxes..I think this quote from Roger is fairly relatable.. “Saying that a person isn’t an anarchist if he pays income tax, is like saying that a woman isn’t faithful if she’s raped. It’s victim blaming. Not everyone has the means to escape coercion and theft.”

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Most people have some of the stockholm syndrome reflex of “if we are coerced in to pay sales tax and property tax and then a tax of 38% of our taxable income, you should pay, too!”

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci Hunn Realistically, supporting the tax system (like employees who get payroll taxes deducted from their pay) is supporting the ongoing oppressive institution. However, like with the rape victim analogy that Jordan made, there can be a lot of unwinding and healing that people need to go through to get from “our empire is the most holy ever in the history of holy empires” to “our empire is fundamentally the same as all the others (and so now I am demoralized and feel so guilty about supporting it so sincerely and naively and shamefully” and even to “umm so why not be on the receiving end of one of these imperial systems of wealth extraction?”


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