On governments of social intimidation as catalysts for chronic pain & human suffering

  NCF wrote: “Life is nothing if not painful.”
JR replied: Pain, neurologically, is an interpretation. It is created entirely in the brain. It does not exist in the peripheral nerves.

An example of pain interpretation is when someone has a relatively minor injury, such as a scratch, but then later concludes that the itch or scratch develops into poison ivy rashes. The brain learns to associate the initial sensation with later developments.

There can be a social panic by a parent of “oh, Jesus, see you got in to some poison ivy! I told you to be more careful but now you have ruined everything. This is very inconvenient to me. You are such a burden.”

Based on past trauma, even small traumas from a neurological standpoint, what does the brain do the next time there is a similar scratch or itch? The brain signals high alert… Stress hormones like cortisol and adrenaline flood out.

Oh but wait there was no pain until I *saw* the scratch and identified it. This is like a cut suddenly hurting much more right after I see it… As distinct from the time of the initial injury.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn What about psychological pain? That is still about a stress response. My body can physically recoil or tense in response to… An idea.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn I actually can create a feedback loop with worry, physical tensions resulting from the worry, physical sensations of the tension, neurological interpretation of the sensations as pain, increased physical constriction, increased worrying, etc….

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn In other words, a panic attack or anxiety attack. Pain, neurologically, is identical to panic.

Nicky Curran-Farahvar

Nicky Curran-Farahvar Don’t you think we would all be psychopaths if nothing bothered us? If we never worried? What if we could remove all pain/panic? “Forgot the dog outside?” Oh well! No bother!

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J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci HunnMost modern people do attempt to interrupt most displays of panic and worry.
J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci HunnIs it worry to notice that the dog is still outside? No, that is just concern. Worry only arises if there is concern but no action to resolve the concern.
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Nicky Curran-Farahvar
Nicky Curran-FarahvarThat’s just wordplay.
J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci HunnHow do people attempt to interrupt displays of worry? By using affirmations, by arguing with others about trivia, by condemning aspects of reality in a “socially-respectable form of concern.”

but the core concerns that people have are often neglected… Which gets back to the Jung quote.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci HunnAnother common “intervention” is addiction, like alcohol addiction, gossip addiction, shopping addiction, gambling addiction, sex addiction, etc….
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Nicky Curran-Farahvar
Nicky Curran-FarahvarAhhh! Yes! I’ve been thinking about that lately. How we busy ourselves with other people’s illnesses and inadequacies in order to avoid what’s wrong within us.
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J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci HunnAddiction to shaming or ridiculing some target is rather popular. The whole addiction of being the savior of someone is also popular: save the damsel in distress, save the children, save the planet from humanity, etc….
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J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci HunnMost people are competing for social validation (I say primarily due to the rituals of public schooling and the years of exposure to a false or imposed consensus / disregard for critical thinking and independent verification). So, we may throw around social invalidation (ridicule of some practice, contempt for some politician) as a core practice in our social lives.
Nicky Curran-Farahvar
Nicky Curran-Farahvar how do we break free from the chains of addiction?
Nicky Curran-Farahvar
Nicky Curran-FarahvarI am a perpetrator and a victim
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J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci HunnWhy are so many mainstream people so vicious in their hysteria about vaccinations or cholesterol? It is a sincere panic. They really believe The ideas that they memorized in school and then repeated it on a test without ever verifying for themselves the value of cholesterol and why the body directs cholesterol to tissue that has already been injured.
J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci HunnAs for someone else’s qualities that I might label as inadequate, here are two contrasting ways to relate to someone else’s inadequacy. First, I could notice it and perhaps experience disappointment or repulsion. If I was the owner of the business and interviewing someone to hire, but I thought that their experience was inadequate, then I probably would not hire them, right?
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J R Fibonacci HunnOr, I could relate to someone else’s inadequacies as an opportunity to divert attention from my own shame or terror about my own competencies or lack of competence.
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J R Fibonacci HunnRather then say that I was naïve and overconfident, I panic and say that they betrayed me. Given my actual level of responsibility when I claimed to be victimized, it was entirely appropriate for me to send out that social signal of “help me because I am incompetent to handle this” … By using charged words like betrayal.
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J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci HunnAnyway, from a neurological perspective, all addictions are about dopamine, a certain powerful neurological hormone. Some researchers suggest that the Best way to interrupt any cycle of addiction is to create massive amounts of dopamine in the retina of the eye so that someone already has that calm relaxed satisfied experience that comes from dopamine. We could also use the word happiness.
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J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci HunnWhat does it take for the eye to create dopamine? We need lots of a substance called DHA plus lots of direct exposure of certain UV light frequencies… As in no eye glasses or sunglasses blocking those frequencies of light.
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Nicky Curran-Farahvar
Nicky Curran-FarahvarHow do you respond when you are the butt of jokes all the time?
Nicky Curran-Farahvar
Nicky Curran-FarahvarAsking for a friend

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J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci HunnIf I find the joking of other people stressful, then my first preference would probably be to withdraw. Next I might report them to police for other supervisors, assuming that the police are not the ones making the jokes. Another alternative is to directly ask people to stop or simply attack them and create so much terror and trauma in them that they reflexively flee from me.
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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci HunnHow do we get DHA in our eyes? Apparently the only way is from diet. A few million years ago there was a massive development in the evolution of life on this planet which was the innovation of a certain small Sea plankton making lots of this fatty acid called DHA.

I have consumed certain harvested seawater that has lots of that sea plankton. I have also eaten a lot of oysters and shellfish and other seafood that have a lot of DHA because they eat so much of that sea plankton or are so close in the food chain to it.

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Nicky Curran-Farahvar
Nicky Curran-FarahvarI’m gonna go take some. Thnx. Gotta go teach prenatal yoga.
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J R Fibonacci Hunn
J R Fibonacci HunnAgain, for making dopamine (and other very important issues that are not as simple as dopamine), it is not just having the DHA in our eyes, but the exposure to UV lights from sunlight or black light bulbs / light therapy bulbs.
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J R Fibonacci HunnBack to dealing with bullies, it is ultimately just a matter of matching their threat. I bring in the bigger bullies of the police or the boss or the privately hired thug. Or, I directly take action myself.
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J R Fibonacci Hunn Can people experience pain In a dream? Of course, because they can experience worry and panic!

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Nicky Curran-Farahvar

Nicky Curran-Farahvar So how does one make the darkness conscious?

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Interaction with highly-developed people can be helpful in bringing light in to spiritual darkness. In Buddhism, we can use the word “sangha” to refer to interactions with people who are at least interested in spirituality and introspection, although interest is certainly not the same as expertise or wisdom.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Here is more about how the issue is delicate. When I have experienced a traumatizing experience and developed social anxiety about a topic, then I may attempt to hide it in myself. If certain emotional displays are socially shamed as negative (typically, such as displaying grief for a boy or rage for a girl), then I may attempt to interrupt certain physical gestures or facial expressions or vocal tones. I bury the emotion to avoid being punished /attacked/ abused. That burying of “the shadow” is adaptive.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn I present a pretense of how I am which I call “how I really am.” I base it on how I have been socially pressured to be. A psychologist can call it a persona. For people with severe traumas, they develop multiple, splintered personas (“personalities/ identities”).

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn If people trigger experiences in me that I consider shameful, I may accuse them of “not knowing the real me.” In other words, I panic because they are threatening an exposure of my pretenses and denial mechanisms.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn So, the “inner repulsion” (shame) can be very intense. Some people can withdraw toward reclusion (monastic introspection). That means they are able to gradually relax their normal reactivity and stop triggering their denial mechanisms so intensely.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn People may call that “relief from stress.” That is a reasonably accurate labeling. For some, it is just a vacation or a few yoga classes. For others, it is spending a summer in a training program with Byron Katie.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn When I reduce exposure to constant triggers, I get to notice the occasional triggers more plainly. For me, withdrawing from the people who raised me was an important step in reducing my stress levels.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Eventually, we interact with others and our “shadows” can create some complications. That can be at work or in a household etc….

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J R Fibonacci Hunn Then, based on those “symptoms,” we may gather with others in to support groups or seek counseling. The problem with so many counselors is that they are incompetent and just trigger the same old traumas, restimulating people rather than untangling and resolving issues.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn How do we resolve deeply buried emotions? We access them.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn What is the safest way to do that? In private, in a secure, safe interaction, plus surrounded by lots of comforts and conveniences (like on a week-long spiritual retreat).

Plus, the person with whom we are interacting needs to be one with whom we have no special anxiety arising. If our only relationship dynamic with them is “ally in accessing emotions,” that simplifies things.

It is harder to use (for these explorations) a spouse or in-law or co-worker… because I would probably hold some tension in relation to my future with them. I would be too anxious… even without being conscious of it. I might “state good intentions,” yet always my unconscious could complicate something that could be quite simple.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn So, there is the unique social context of a “ritual of self-development.” Then, there is the quality of the interaction with the ally (or allies).

The ally should be internally “open” (free from condemnation, hysteria, triggers). They should be personally capable of assisting, as in perceptive, skillful in communicating, able to gently and indirectly introduce topics as well as be direct and precise.

In other words, they need to be capable of being effective as an ally. Then, they need to be committed (willing). To attract the attention of an effective ally, people might pay thousands of dollars for that week-long retreat (or for a few months of training with, for instance, Byron Katie).

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn So, when someone is consciously present with me (whether by skype or in person) and then assists me in bringing attention to various emotions, then many chronic tensions may resolve “by themselves.” If I really respect the process of grieving, then whatever early triggers of grieving are in my personal history may not need to be untangled.

The issue is not the original event. The issue is relaxing the chronic physical tension with respect for the original adaptiveness of the coping mechanism.

It is not “bad” for people to bury emotions and develop social pretenses. It is a type of healthy adaption to a dangerous or unstable circumstance.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn The entire issue of shame shifts from “I should deny or hide shame because shame is shameful” to “shame is just an extreme response that is on the same spectrum as modesty or discretion.”

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Shame means that “people in my midst repressed my emotional expressiveness.” It is totally circumstantial or incidental. There is nothing personal about it. In fact, it is socially almost universal.

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Kalen Beattie

Kalen Beattie Life can get easier when you are able to embrace pain as a teacher and rather than a purely negative road block to peace and happiness.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Anyway, I skipped this earlier in my replies to Nicky…. since as a child I might want to stop displaying certain emotions that have been socially ridiculed, then it becomes important that I cut off my attention to certain issues. I stop allowing myself to rest my attention on anything that MIGHT trigger the invalidated emotion.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn That is why addictions develop. I get addicted to one thing as a way of distracting myself from something else.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn For instance, I say that governments are very dangerous and violent. I say that the violence of governments is the only reason that people pay taxes or fines (like for crimes).

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J R Fibonacci Hunn When the US government made the possession of gold by US Citizens a crime in 1933 (inventing a penalty of up to 10 years imprisonment AND a fine of what is now worth about $185,000), the reason that the announcement produced fear and compliance was because of the military dominance of the US government over the governed population.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Only because people perceived the threats of the US government to be “serious” was there compliance. Why do people pay taxes? Terror (fear).

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn So, why do I mention these simple things? To set up a reference to how people cope with these simple, obvious facts about government programs of terror.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn People may erupt in passionate hysterias and say “but people should not be afraid of their government. Governments should not do things to coerce and bully their citizens.”

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn That is denial. That is denying the rather obvious fact that the basic thing that governments do (as distinct from other organizations) is the concentrated use of violence in a very public way (as distinct from the violence of gangs which they often attempt to keep away from public attention).

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J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn When the US government dropped two atomic bombs on civilians in Japan, that was not to win that war, I argue. The war was already won. That was to demonstrate to the rest of the world (besides the Japanese) that the US was the dominant operation of tyranny on the planet.

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J R Fibonacci Hunn It was to intimidate our allies and discourage opposition. It was a classic instance of bullying.

And, it is no different than what many other governments would have done. This is not a condemnation, but a comment on human dynamics.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn So, people are chronically traumatized through government programming rituals and even programmed with coping mechanisms (like to argue about how governments should be and then fight amongst themselves over what reforms are best and then how to produce those reforms). People are programmed to practice political antagonism within their own nation.

Competing political idealisms are programmed. Political antagonisms are programmed. The chronic “stalemate” is part of the design of governing systems for governing the governed populations.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Governing means ruling or controlling or dominating. However, people may be terrified of the social consequences of even NOTICING these details (as distinct from actually commenting in public about them).

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J R Fibonacci Hunn People with restimulated trauma must look at ANYTHING except for the simple realities of government. They create tantrums and dramas and distractions and personal conflicts with their spouse.

Why? To avoid even noticing the issues that are really most frightening / dangerous.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn People do not want to even address issues or topics that MIGHT be so intense to them that it overwhelms their repression mechanisms and results in the surfacing of repressed emotions. People create thousands of justifications for outrage AS A COPING MECHANISM to avoid the simple terror of government military dominance.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn They fixate on some reform topic, like free college tuition or closing the borders to muslims. All of that is then socially broadcast to keep them stimulated and keep them from registering the simple background circumstance of intimidation and coercion.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn If someone does not congratulate me enthusiastically enough for my bravery in ridiculing some political opposition, then I may unfriend them. If they display some other form of hysteria than my own, then I ridicule them perhaps and hope that they unfriend me so I can go tell my buddies that very important story about “how immature some people are.”

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn One of my facebook friends is a big anti-vaccine crusader, which I certainly respect in general. I just wonder why that issue is so distinct for her. There are a multitude of ways which governments conduct chemical warfare on their domestic populations and singling out vaccines is something that I personally did myself for a while, but eventually I noticed bigger patterns.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn … as in the multitude of programs for “governing” public health, as in keeping it within certain limits. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being optimal health, what if the government can have the vast majority of people have health that is between the 2 and 4 levels on the 1 to 10 scale?

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Could that be good for the government’s purposes? Could the declining health of the masses then be twisted through indoctrination programming in schools and media as JUSTIFICATION for MORE government control of health?

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn “Because of the horrible consequences of our prior policies, we need more taxes to further advance our past practices and redistribute even more market share away from natural health services and toward increasing addictions to pharmaceutical intoxicants. We need to protect the practitioners of conventional medicine from the competition of more effective treatment methods.”

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn So, am I actually specifically concerned about government programs to reduce the health of the population? I have no specific concern with those kinds of programs. I see the bigger pattern of how governments operate. I am not currently employed by a government, but I have been and now that I understand the actual purposes (rather than being confused and anxious about defending idealism taught to me in school), I might go in to politics or “public service,” although I have no interest in that either. I just would not be in such a state of inner conflict about it as I was about it in the 1990s (when I was briefly a bureaucrat trying to “save humanity” through government programs which often did the opposite of “saving humanity”).

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Briefly, I “blew the whistle” on some activities that were under the jurisdiction of the US Department of Justice. I sincerely expected a thorough investigation. Instead, I was fired… along with several other people with first-hand knowledge of the incident in question.

I was shocked. I was confused. In fact, I had already been confused for quite a while, but suddenly my confusion was as obvious to me as it might have been to others for a while.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn What could I note as “a short version of the lesson that I learned?” First, loyalty can be very important in politics. Second, all written regulations are shapes of ink on paper. Humans either enforce those rules, ignore those rules, or carefully protect those who break those rules.

If the DOJ “occasionally” operates in ways that protect CERTAIN rule-breakers, so be it. Maybe they “almost always” enforce the rules as written and then the media and schools “just happen” to emphasize the cases in which the rules are enforced in accord with what is stated in the rules (whether that is 99% of the time or 1% of the time or somewhere in between).

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn An instance that I like to reference is when the US government attempted to disrupt the diamond cartel DeBeers. The government agents went to South Africa and presented the paperwork of a legal summons to a top official in DeBeers. The corporate officer promptly ripped up the summons in front of the government agents and said “you do not know who you are dealing with here. You need to go home and enjoy a holiday with your families rather than endanger yourselves by pursuing this court summons. Would you like some tea before you go?”

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn That investigation promptly de-railed. However, what happened when DeBeers did not like that General Motors was making “too many” synthetic diamonds” in a plant in Detroit? DeBeers hired some “goodwill ambassadors” to visit the GM plant and “make it known” that the GM policy of producing specific kinds of synthetic diamonds was about to change.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn GM promptly revised their policy in accord with the “recommendations” of the goodwill ambassadors.” Why did Henry Ford stop making cars that ran on bio-diesel?

Certain special interests guiding the US government “made it known” that they had the power to make alcohol illegal. They created a constitutional amendment for “prohibition.” Ford stopped producing cars that ran on bio-diesel. People well-connected with political leaders in Washington, DC, amassed huge fortunes illegally transporting alcohol (because they had friends in the government agencies that enforced the laws).

When the prohibition of alcohol was reversed, why didn’t Ford resume building cars that ran on bio-diesel? Because he had been persuaded by the “political will” of certain special interests that “it was in Ford’s best interests to cooperate.”

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Who was behind the ban on alcohol? If I recall my prior readings correctly, it may have been a combination of the Rockefeller oil cartel and DuPont. DuPont was also on a campaign to make hemp illegal because hemp products threatened their monopoly on industrial textiles. The Rockefellers wanted to force everyone to use petroleum-based products (gasoline), so they had to stop bio-diesel from getting popular.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Also, oil-based derivatives are the core of the pharmaceutical industry. So, if cannabis oil was very effective at improving health (and if bad health was essential for maintaining a high amount of addictions to oil-derived pharmaceuticals), then maybe that is why lobbyists for socialized medicine are so often paid by Rockefeller-controlled charitable foundations. 

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Again, the specific issues here are of no great importance to me. The point is that the entire system of governing humans through coercion and indoctrination is simply a system of governing humans through coercion and indoctrination.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn When indoctrination increases the efficiency of coercion, then indoctrination is used. But the foundation is coercion and when indoctrination is no longer utilized, more intense forms of coercion are typically used.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Anyway, one more detail to address: when a government imposes a fine on a newly invented crime of “unauthorized possession of gold by a US Citizen,” they also dictate what form of payment will be accepted to discharge the newly invented liability (debt). When they invent tax debts (sales taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, etc), they also identify what form of payment they will accept.

That coercive power to impose debts on the masses is the foundation for creating public demand for currencies. How to increase public demand for a currency? Raise tax rates (or other fines/ debts) without increasing the supply of currency.

How to decrease public demand (purchasing power) for a currency? Decrease tax rates without changing the supply of currency in circulation.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Coercion (extortion) is the foundation. If a government says “we will exchange this piece of magic paper for 5 healthy bulls,” then that is the exchange rate. Whoever can change the exchange rate (like to 4 bulls per currency contract or to 6 bulls per currency contract) controls the purchasing power of the currency.

J R Fibonacci Hunn

J R Fibonacci Hunn Who has that power in regard to the US? It is not the government. The government is an agent (servant) of a “higher power,” which in the case of the US has been the private Federal Reserve Bank since 1933. Of course, “the Fed” is itself “just another link in a much bigger chain.”

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