The origin and nature of currency systems

Right below the photo is my introductory comment and then quite an exchange on the nature of currency systems.

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This is kind of an odd question (in the image). If I sign a 12 month lease to rent a place to live, that is the creation of a legal debt. If a government invents a fine for driving above a certain speed limit and then says that I owe them $100,000 for speeding, that is also the creation of a legal debt.

Generally speaking, governments are systems of inventing legal debts (“out of thin air”) and then extorting / coercing the human resources to seek out a government-approved currency in order to pay the government enough wealth to cover the debts invented by the government and thus avoid arrest, imprisonment, confiscation of property, and of course public rituals of human sacrifice.

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  • David Limacher

    David Limacher Erase the debt.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn David, please read my comments above the photo. Erasing declared debts would in no way prevent the declaring of new debts (by consent in contracts or by coercion through governing systems).

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  • David Limacher

    David Limacher Yes much needs to change…

  • David Limacher

    David Limacher I am optimistic.

  • David Limacher

    David Limacher I’m tired of trading my time for the privilege of Babylonian money magic.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn Changes happen, either quickly or slowly. For instance, currency systems form, stabilize, and destabilize.

    Some people (such as myself) become curious at some point about historical trends and forecasting future trends. Since 2002, forecasting changes in prices has been a major investment of my time. On occasion, my forecasts have produced quite large gains in short periods of time. October 23rd was such a time.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn I do not think that there is anything magical about monetary systems. Governments invent taxes out of thin air and then specify certain kinds of payments that they will accept (to discharge the debts that they invented). If they accept silver coins, then demand temporarily increases in that geographic area for silver. If they accept diamonds, the demand temporarily increases in that geographic area for diamonds. So what?

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn What we also can notice is that from time to time governments may promote demoralization programs to confuse the masses about the simplicity of a public currency system or private currency system. People are programmed to be ashamed of wealth or even of modest ownership of property. The highest goal of a statist is to be dependent completely on the particular governing system and to advocate that the elite that run the governing system will have a total monopoly on economic discretion, redistributing wealth from the middle class to the government elite.

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  • Ben Belty

    Ben Belty I think of money being magic in the occult sense not the type that is associated with circus acts etc.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn On a related note, I find it notable how so many people who are influenced by mainstream Christian views seem to know so little about commentaries on the scriptures of the Bible made by those Who are fluent in the original languages used in the writing of the Bible.

    Jesus repeated the teachings of Isaiah by saying “in vain they worship me, presenting the traditions of man as the principles of God.” There is a similar passage in regard to the adoration of money being the root of many forms of social disorder. Is money itself the root of social disorder? That is not what the Scriptures say in any language or in any translation.

    A presumptive adoration of money is not innocent curiosity and mindfulness in regard to wealth. A presumptive adoration corresponds to negligence. Negligence can produce a variety of socially unfavorable outcomes.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn So, beware of negligence. Beware of the negligence of presumptive adoration. There is no substitute for mindfulness and respect. When those are present, then perceptiveness increases. When absent, confusion increases.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn Also, be aware of the negligence of presumptive contempt. There is a reason that governments put so much investment into promoting presumptive contempt among the masses (contempt for each other and for the government). However, that reason is not for the benefit of each and every individual organism within the reach of that government’s system of extortion and coercive influence.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn Ben, you are welcome to expand on your comment. However, I recommend that you read through my comments first (those above and those below).

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn The word occult literally means that one thing has been covered by another thing. The Greek words for “throwing a label across something” are dia-bolos (across-throwing). Those Greek roots make the English words diabolical and devil.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn Money, however, is not something that has been covered. The system is actually relatively open. There are a variety of psychological warfare programs to confuse reactionary patriots and libertarians and so on, but the reality of all money systems is quite simple and uncontroversial (as to what it is and how it works).

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn The idea that any government is fundamentally a democracy is a clear occultation of the facts. Governments may have democratic processes such as the voting by the members of the jury or schoolchildren voting for the student body president. However, the student body president has strictly limited authority.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn Some Christians will even present strange ideas such as an almighty Deity who is apparently vulnerable and anxious and threatened by some isolated other force besides the Almighty.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn By using the single English word God as the translation for a variety of Jewish words such as Elohim (which is plural) and Hashem (which is singular), there is an occulting of the actual Hebrew Scriptures.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn It is Hashem that was competing against a celestial being with generally similar powers, which we may refer to as a fallen angel or the devil. However, the Elohim created Hashem and the Angels and Titans and ETs and us. When Jesus was challenged by the Pharisees on this point, he scolded them reminding them that their scriptures clearly state “ye are gods.”

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn At a local university, the mascot is a type of devil and the symbol on the side of the football helmets is a trident. That fallen angel who bears a trident in Christianity was known by the name Neptune to the Romans and the name Poseidon to the Greeks.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn Those who lack perceptiveness may think that if I say a type of red and someone else says maroon and someone else says the word for maroon in a few other languages, then we all must be talking about different things because we are using a different word to label.that is precisely the kind of negligence and presumptiveness that Jesus warned about a few thousand years ago when quoting Isaiah, who lived perhaps a few thousand years before him and warned of the same issues.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn What is a typical method used by this celestial being called Poseidon? That being would stir up a lot of distractions and excitement in order to confuse his foes. If anyone were to research mythology or astrology, you could find frequent references to Neptune as the ruler of confusion.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn Religions such as the one we know as the United States of America will often use programs to promote confusion amongst the masses. However, The nature of money is not what is being hidden with deceptions usually. They completely neglect to mention that subject although The reality is obvious to anyone who observes the nature of monetary systems.The deceptions are being used to distract people from the otter simplicity of the nature of monetary systems and systems of organized coercion, Also known as governments or crime syndicates.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn In conclusion, it is a deception when agent provocateurs suggest that monetary systems are magical. School indoctrination rituals and the indoctrination rituals of mainstream media are quite magical and that is so that they can distract us with hysteria about cholesterol or gun control or transgender rights. What do they distract us from? They distract from the basic nature of the coercive system of systematically redistributing wealth.

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  • Rick Laviolette

    Rick Laviolette I agree. In chess it is a diversion, or a sacrifice with a means to an end. Our debt was created and the money went to private citizens in the world who lend our own money back to us to pay for the debt they created. History repeats.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn Rick, when people say “lend OUR OWN MONEY back to us,” they are repeating propaganda slogans. When a casino “mints” some plastic tokens and then offers them to some people in exchange for working as soldiers of the casino, what does that change about the origin of the token system? When the casino says “whoever resides between these two coastlines (or rivers etc) must pay us property tax in the amount of 100 tokens per year per acre of property,” again that changes nothing about the origin of the system.

    • Rick Laviolette

      Rick Laviolette It must be our money since we, the taxpayers, have to pay it back.

    • Rick Laviolette

      Rick Laviolette That money is secured by US assets and property.

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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn

      J R Fibonacci Hunn Being a taxpayer within a particular political jurisdiction is a temporary condition (which individuals and businesses can change by moving from one jurisdiction to another).

    • J R Fibonacci Hunn

      J R Fibonacci Hunn As for “pay it BACK,” that tends to imply that I received something which I must return. If a governing system invents a crime called “speeding” and then says “anyone caught speeding must serve two years in our navy as a soldier,” then the “debt” thatSee More

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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn

      J R Fibonacci Hunn In return, the gangster can offer “protection” against vandalism (specifically, against vandalism by that gangster).

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn The “magic” of the deception about money is all linguistic. It is programmed in the public school indoctrination rituals which teach the human resources that “this is YOUR plantation and slaves here get 16% better medical care than in the plantation to the west!”

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn “The plantation system’s casino tokens are YOURS. Also, the holy scriptures of YOUR religion are unlike all other holy scriptures ever before because we used YOUR Ink (24,000 years before you arrived) to make YOUR system.”

    • Rick Laviolette

      Rick Laviolette Do you propose anarchy? I see a political system as effective for peaceful coexistence. Not everyone grabs the brass ring and wants all the gold.

    • J R Fibonacci Hunn

      J R Fibonacci Hunn I propose personal practices of mindfulness, prudence, and wise investment. (I offer a service of managing the private investment accounts of my clients.)

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    J R Fibonacci Hunn The idea that the Federal Reserve’s private currency system (and private system of organized coercion and extortion) is “ours” is a very remarkable idea (even “magical”). The reality of how currency systems work is very simple.

    • Rick Laviolette

      Rick Laviolette That is not ours. It was interjected with designer laws to strip our assets.

    • Rick Laviolette

      Rick Laviolette Not much we can do unless we systematically vote them out and new politicians appoint our judges.

    • J R Fibonacci Hunn

      J R Fibonacci Hunn I was not born with legal ownership of anything. Of course governing systems redistribute wealth from the human resources to the government and to the beneficiaries of the government (who in large part are the special interests that form and guide governments).

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    • Rick Laviolette

      Rick Laviolette I own mine until I miss the taxes or eminent domain is enacted. One reasonably large asteroid will settle the ownership thing.

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