Here is part of a public facebook thread. I presented some comments that I think are worth archiving, so here is the record:
If we are going to hate pot, we might as well hate caffeine, and alcohol which are legal but do more damage than pot. And why not throw sugar in the pot (no pun intended). And GMOs too. And fluoride that’s in our water and toothpaste which makes sheeple out of people. Some drugs, like caffeine,flouride and antidepressants and ritalin serve the powers that be to keep the masses enslaved in jobs and educations they hate, that don’t serve a man’s spirit but keep him in line. There are other drugs that do not harm the body but EXPAND CONSCIOUSNESS and destroy the Dominator culture we live in
“I hate pot. I hate it even more than hard drugs. I’ve taught high school for 25 years and I hate what marijuana does to my students. It goes beyond missing homework assignments. My students become less curious when they start smoking pot. I’ve seen it time and time again. People say pot makes you more creative, but from what I’ve seen, it narrows my students’ minds until they only reference the world in relation to the drug. They’ll say things like: “I went to the beach and got so high,” or “I went to a concert and got so high.” They start choosing their friends based on the drug. I hate when people say that it’s just experimenting. Because from what I’ve seen, it’s when my students stop experimenting.”
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NEXT IS THE FIRST COMMENT THAT WAS SHOWING WHEN I GOT TO THE THREAD. LATER, I REALIZED THAT THERE WERE PROBABLY COMMENTS BEFORE THAT ONE, BUT THEN THEY WERE DELETED BEFORE I GOT TO THE THREAD. SO, STEVE’S COMMENTS SEEM COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS TO ME, BUT THAT is PARTLY BECAUSE THE PRIOR EXCHANGE WAS REMOVED AND I DID NOT KNOW IT.
Steve Skouson Carl, I was with you, until you opened up your mouth, and showed your ignorance.
Ritalin is a STIMULANT, just like caffeine and amphetamine.
How are you going to “drug a child into submission” with Ritalin? It’s like putting out a fire with gasoline!
DOZENS OF MORE COMMENTS WERE SHOWING BELOW THIS ONE BEFORE I ENTERED THE THREAD. (I READ ALMOST NONE OF THEM.)
J R Fibonacci Hunn All societies condition the organisms within it (including in bee hives etc). In fact, all social interaction conditions the participants.
Mainstream schools program students to memorize and repeat whatever they are told. In other words, natural curiosity and intelligence are redirected (compromised). Many Science classes program the students with ideas about science (rather than promote actual scientific investigation and discovery). When students learn ideas about cholesterol and then are socially rewarded for blindly repeating those ideas, they tend to form prejudices in favor of whatever ideas have been promoted to them and reinforced socially. That is basically the opposite of scientific inquiry.
Then, when confronted with simple observations about the manufacturing of cholesterol by the livers of so many species, the hysteria of the mainstream student says hilarious things like “eating cholesterol is bad.” However, it is not a toxin. It is a nutrient so essential that we make lots of it and then convert it in to things like testosterone, estrogen, and Vitamin D.
Those points are not in controversy. However, science indoctrination rituals in mainstream classrooms tend to result in hysterical attachment to the curriculum. When faced with actual science, former students sincerely may think that they already know (because of the social programming about science). Their curiosity has been stifled along with their intelligence. They are ashamed of the idea that a presumption they hold may be imprecise or completely inaccurate. So they throw tantrums.
Confronted with these comments about the predictable results of “science classroom instruction,” some hysterically cry for reform. However, just as classrooms are not democratic, neither is the education system. Most Parents do not have the political influence to create lasting reform. In other words, they do not have the money or the connections to counter the Rockefellers and similar rich donors.
schools promote obedience to the government and the generation of future tax revenues for the government. Students leave school expecting consensus in the rest of life and so they tend to be so unstable emotionally that when confronted with a variety of opinions about most any subject, they panic and then argue for the familiar.
J R Fibonacci Hunn To Justin (the LMT), among my training and educational background is… A certificate in massage therapy!
If someone understands the basics of physics as it relates to brain chemistry, that can simplify lots of issues. When people talk about pain orinflammation, they are talking about basic issues of physics. Many MDs seem not to understand the simplicity of how to stop producing inflammation and pain, so they focus on interfering with the nerve signals and “numbing” the brain with anesthetic intoxication. Temporary relief can lead to profitable addictions.
My university training also involved lots of classes about social psychology, but I was a rather confused young fellow when I left graduate school. My first encounter with the Department of Justice (working for them) destroyed quite a few illusions that I had “adopted” in schools.
J R Fibonacci HunnThere can be a huge competition for social validation, including the demeaning of others. When Steve Skousen focused on the single issue of Ritalin and in such a remarkable way, that was competitive. When Ramona shamed him by basically insulting his church, that was also competitive.
How much of the rest of the thread is “a competition for validation?” How much of my comments here are competitive?
I do not mind the specifics. If we are casual in our “competitiveness,” then we can observe who is competing against us and who is competing along with us (in collaboration).
J R Fibonacci Hunn When I am present to the choice to label something “competitive” or “shameful,” then that, I assert is the absence of hysteria. In fact, I can relate to a specific “pattern of behavior” as hysterical or not.
From aliveness (even AS aliveness), is there any issue of “enlivening my life?” Nope. Some form addictions to excitement as a coping mechanism to distract themselves from shame. I might have even done that myself. Maybe I was even attached to “enlivening” other people.
Hysteria can be very popular, and yet still be entirely hysterical. What cannot be typical is “above average results.” Typical results are always average, never above average.
J R Fibonacci Hunn Being is independent of “competing to be the least heady.” There is validation, invalidation, hysteria, self-awareness, and a variety of other things. All of them are like branches on the tree of being.
One branch is even labeled “non-being.” To some that is hysterical. To others it is hilarious.
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Ramona Kleespies Everything is made up. Most any scientist will tell you there is no such thing as objectivity. So nothing of the past is truly applicable to the now. No paradigm, structure, history, media or classroom. Mentioning of such is living in the past. My mentioning of Mr Skouson was tongue in cheek. smile emoticon
Steve SkousonWhat, Collin, no more insipid comments?
You don’t want me to play with you like a half broken Atari?
Igor, please bring in my favorite DumbToy, Collin!
Collin, I can play you like a cheap video game, but YOU’RE easier. (Don’t your boyfriends say that, too?)
Oh, you SIMPLE little boy! Like he said in A Few Good men, you picked the wrong Marine to F with.
I could break you, without breaking a sweat!
But, you’re not playing anymore.
To the rest of you, I was called, in posts that have since been deleted (for, I’m assuming, the FOUL language used) less than an amoeba, by one of Carl’s “children.”
I responded. But, since the initial posts have been erased, Collin (Carl’s “child”) looks like an angel here, and I look like Satan’s main helper.
I was chastised, by someone who couldn’t spell “O,” but his verbal sewage is no longer here.
Hope you understand, and can we get back to a “rational” discussion? (It may be irrational, because I like dividing by zero!)
J R Fibonacci Hunn Steve mentioned the topic of “a rational discussion.” Carl started by listing some things he hates (irrationally?) and quoting a teacher who complained about the use of marijuana by students in order to inhibit the curiosity of students, which affects his job performance and job satisfaction.
All of it has made sense to me. As for a rational discussion, there must first be some common interest. Otherwise, it can just be a bunch of reactions going off like popcorn popping… plus with the emotion of one POP triggering more POPS.
Maybe there is a group of people, even within a family or household, that have all been repressing their emotions of frustration because of their social situation. The people might all be interested in the subject of frustration, whether or not any one of them recognizes that. So, once they start talking, that can start a cascade of frustrated complaints (kind of like in a flock of birds that are on the ground and when a few birds start to fly away in distress, then the whole pack panics and flies away).
However, the people may not actually disperse. They may just keep throwing around their favorite complaints at each other, then complain about other people who are not validating their complaint. “Other people are complaining about something else, so they are frustrating me even more!!!”
All the people may have already been frustrated. The complaint that “they are frustrating me EVEN MORE” implies pre-existing frustration, right?
J R Fibonacci Hunn So,when someone experiences frustration (me, Carl, Steve, the teacher who hates pot, etc), what does that frustration signal? It signals an unfulfilled desire.
We could call the frustration an “upset.” The terminology is not important to me.
So, when there is an unfulfilled desire, the frustrated person may not even be attentive to what the desire is that is unfulfilled. They may be ashamed of that desire and pretend that the frustrated desire is not that shameful one, but some other one that is socially encouraged. Some desires are shamed socially. Some are encouraged.
The reality is that having a frustrated desire is essentially the same as having an unfulfilled desire. Has it been fulfilled? Not yet. Will it be? Maybe.
With frustration, we might presume that there may be some social resistance to admitting to or pursuing the desire. Should every desire be welcomed or encouraged? Should certain desires be repressed (or should certain methods of pursuing a desire be regulated or punished)?
Desires (or “motivations”) are just what they are. Social conditioning about desire is just what it is.
When the desire of a powerful group (or institution) is to direct and regulate the desires of the local youth, then curriculum gets created for redirecting the natural motivations of the youth. Obedience gets promoted. Some institutions want to create loyal taxpayers who are generally dependent on the governing institutions (UN, NATO, EU, USSR, USA, etc).
Natural curiosity may get funneled in to specific approved subjects. Kids may get bored. Some may smoke pot or drink alcohol or find some other coping mechanism to endure their boredom during the educational rituals that they are forced to attend.
Teachers complain about the kids who are smoking pot. Carl complains about the teacher. Steve complains about Carl. Ramona complains about Steve. I complain about Ramona.
Popcorn pops. Marijuana plants grow.
Flocks of bird land and then start looking for worms to eat. If a few fly off all at once, the whole flock is likely to burst in to the air. Eventually, they may all come back to the ground to search for more worms.
J R Fibonacci Hunn When one is alert and perceives clearly, everything is just however it is. When one is internally agitated, there will be an endless series of external triggers for displays of agitation. When one is anxious (easily disturbed), there will be triggers for panics of outrage “everywhere.”
(Paraphrased from Titus 1:15)
J R Fibonacci Hunn When people are so easily “socially agitated” that the absence of consensus in a group results in a panic of tossing invalidations (and other adult tantrums), that could be because the agitated people are expecting to be targeted, harassed, and bullied. Why? Why are they so defensive / passive aggressive?
Maybe because we all value privacy and safety. Maybe we do not want to be crammed up in a classroom with a bunch of other kids / people. Maybe it is too much stimulation. So, we may try to focus in on “the assignment” as an escape from all the social stimulation.
why do people attack each other’s ideas so ferociously? Because when people are crammed together too densely, they want to push each other away. Any excuse to push someone will do. If someone states a “stupid” idea, then the harassment and bullying begins. Any justification for targeting someone can be invented.
J R Fibonacci Hunn When we are targeted with social pressure about how we should be and how we should not be, we may desire to retreat from that pressure. We may construct a theatrical justification to retreat.
We want time to relax. We want time to process all that emotional stimulation from social pressure. However, if we retreat to a household where there is “no space” for decompressing, then one way to retreat socially without retreating physically is the use of substances that numb us out.
We may say “I like the numbness.” Perhaps we dislike the social pressures and are escaping them through self-medication or other coping mechanisms.
What happens when someone is suddenly in a natural disaster (rodeo-chediski wildfire) and they do not have their favorite legal or illegal drugs (Xanax, panax, etc)? In some cases, they are fine. The normal social competition is absent, so they do not need to escape from it.
What happens if they go on vacation by them self for a week to a remote place? Again, they may lose interest in numbing out. The social pressure and social competition is absent, so they have no attraction to escapism.