On Donald Trump and prejudice as an after-the-fact rationalization for economic imperialism

Todd shared this article from Rolling Stone magazine about Donald Trump:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/donald-trump-just-stopped-being-funny-20150821

A.R. wrote:  He’s a businessman. He’s paid dearly to distract. It’s all a stupid game…rigged.

JR wrote: While I agree with A.R., I think of much of politics as “bait” to draw the common people in to some variation of national socialism. Those variations tend to be some version of this idea: “We need the nation to rescue us from… the global economy, poverty, stupidity, etc….”

If you argue about politics, that is what I call hysteria. If you ridicule any politician of any party, that is also hysteria. If you *harshly* ridicule any political idea (in contrast to discarding it or making a casual joke… Like Jon Stewart sometimes does), that is still hysterical.

Stirring Hysteria is the media’s job. I skimmed the actual rolling stone article and I found it “distasteful” (which is even less attractive than “tasteless”). The media (in this case, some author for rolling stone magazine) is basically attacking a politician for not bowing to the media “how he should” (in relation to a particular moderator In a recent debate). Also, he did not show that he is intimidated and their framing of him as more or less “inciting” a recent attack is just more guilt-tripping.

“He should apologize THE RIGHT WAY for what other people did!” And what if he doesn’t?

Then the conversation “started….”

  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar J R … They aren’t saying he should apologize the right way for what other people did, they are saying he should be reflective about comments he made that were racist- and thoughtless, during his interviews. No one thinks the crime was done in his honor, but you can see that he believed that these men were “passionate” about America. Passionate for your country often does entail commuting a crime [Nicky later corrected this to be “committing a crime”], but that crime is seldom peeing on someone [which is a reference to the Rolling Stone article and the incident reported in it]. I have no idea what you are talking about when you say we shouldn’t criticize politics or our politicians or we run the risk of being “hysterical”.
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Hi Nicky. You might proof-read your above comment for auto-correct errors and then like this comment of mine to let me know you have. Further, you might read my comment below first.
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(still JR writing:)

Nicky, I do not know which comments you are calling racist. I also do not know how you made what I wrote in to a statement that “we shouldn’t criticize politics.” I will assume that you mean that you think that I said “we shouldn’t criticize politics” and that the statement that you say I made was also the one that you are labeling racist. (I am teasing with the second reference.)

Let the contributors to Rolling Stone be reflective about their own comments. You be reflective about yours. If you are interested in an interaction with me, I expect you to first establish relevance (in a way that I agree with) and also to raise your precision (in regard to any quotations that you attempt to make… of me or anyone else).

In conclusion, it is disgusting to me that Rolling Stone magazine supports racist attacks on hysterical people.

  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar Ok. Spelling error corrected. Thank you for pointing that out to me.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Ah, I was wondering if there was more than just the one mistake of “commuting”…. Anyway, on the subject of commuting sentences for crimes, Todd probably recalls that I frequently make reference to the pardoning of convictions and indictments, like Clinton pardoning the biggest tax evasion criminal of the 20th century, Marc Rich, or Carter pardoning folk singer Pete Yarrow for pedophilia, or the pardoning of North and Weinberger by Bush Sr.

    Or… President Johnson (who was Lincoln’s VP until the assassination) even pardoned several of the people convicted of participating in the assassination. Since the assassination is what made Johnson the President, I think of that one as one of the most suspicious….

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Was Johnson in on it from the beginning… or was he just blackmailed and intimidated by the assassins who were backed by the British Monarchy?
  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar Interesting topics, indeed! I think maybe I’m sleepy and not making sense. I meant the interview he gave with Megan Kelly where he degraded women and acted nonchalant about having in the past said racist/sexist comments. I’ll check back tomorrow when my mind is sharper and see again what you wrote and so that I too can be more reflective about my own comments and this article. Thank you for making such clever jokes. I especially enjoyed your joke at the end of that other post about the magazine. It’s a pleasure to communicate with you.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I am confident that some comments I made in the last few decades were interpreted as sexist or racist. The reality is that racism was the foundation of the USA… And I do not mean the treatment of African and Irish slaves. I mean the indigenous populations, as well as the treatment of the Chinese in the 19th century (especially in California) and the Japanese during world war 2 (all over the US).

    Some would say that anti-Arab “racism” is a core part of the politics of the allies of Israel, such as Hillary or Bernie etc etc etc…. Not sure about trump’s stated position on Israel, but I do not expect any politician to actually take actions that significantly reduce the cash flow of massive foreign aid to Israel (no matter what they say on campaign).

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn If someone thinks of a political candidate as racist (in a way that you do not like), then you can vote against them. What is new about that? Again, even president Lincoln, whom African Americans may celebrate, made very explicit racist comments (about “niggers”).
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn To be clear, I think that most people in the US are often hysterical and I further think that the school system and mass media are specifically designed to promote “unexamined” hysterias and paranoias, like about illegal drugs or guns or cholesterol or global warming. They do their job well.
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  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar Scintillating comments–all very true. But I think the articles point wasn’t that he was a racist or sexist but that he was an unapologetic racist/sexist. That his un-political correctness was the appeal to some people who are nowadays too lazy to even try to keep up appearances as being against things collectively frowned upon. The more I think of your original comments from a Buddhist perspective, however, the more I agree that Rolling Stones is just doing what they do, stirring up gossip and making character attacks without any real substance paid to what’s really happening, so it’s more of a distraction from politics. Very insightful.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Why should I care what is “collectively frowned upon?”
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn If trump is unapologetic, so be it. Should he be apologetic? Should all politicians apologize for their opinions?
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  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar We tend to collectively value virtues and collectively frown upon vices.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn People who are operating in a hysteria of social anxiety may think that “racial equality” is a “better concept” than “racism.” Since you referenced Buddhism, I will note that all concepts are equally conceptual. Prejudice against “racists” is still prejudice.

    prejudice against various kinds of sexism (militant feminism or militant misogyny) is also more bias based on the worship of one concept as better than other concepts.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Now do not say that I am criticizing prejudice. Prejudice is a very important coping mechanism. wink emoticon
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Well… Maybe I was criticizing in the sense of analyzing it, but I was not ridiculing it, right?
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn As for virtues and vices, I think of “being apologetic” (as in reactively apologetic) as a vice. There are times to apologize and times to respectfully withdraw (with no apologies), as well as times to be aggressive.

    “for every pattern under heaven, there is a time. A time for peace and for war… For love and for hate.”

    – king Solomon

    (The book of Ecclesiastes)

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Those ideas of that ancient king of Israel are similar to the basics of Taoism.

    “Hysterical liberals” may have a prejudice against war or hatred. I certainly did when I was “under the influence” of trying to conform to “what society values” (according to the programming of schools and media). It was the extreme of arrogance in my life.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn But a hysterical shame about hatred tends to correspond to SELF-hatred. “I need to know what society values and then conform to that.”

    Is that a great virtue or a great vice? It is useful to respect the various value systems within a culture and subcultures. To strive for perfection according to some inherited set of social values is the ultimate social anxiety / paranoia.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Do I hate asparagus? If so, then it is good for me to know so I can generally avoid it, right? wink emoticon
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  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar J R Fibonacci Hunn You said, “There are times to apologize and times to withdraw,” …that’s true if one still has a choice in their response. But elected officials think and act for all constituents, as well as the country. So it is only natural we do not want corrupted leader, because we are no longer able to participate in the choice. So looking for evidence of corruption is part of the process of selection. It is true that certain prejudices are helpful defense mechanisms, like you said, but it is also true that we can train ourselves to not engage in- or perpetuate- socially inculcated prejudices, such as racism/classism/sexism or other forms of elitism, knowing that these are not helpful (you do agree these are unhelpful attitudes, right?) to work toward peace. Perhaps I am misperceiving your message? I am interested in hearing about what you describe as the “extreme arrogance” of your life, being indoctrinated by schools and society. Do you think that these are liberals’ messages? How has your life changed today and what changed your way of thinking?
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Disastrous results motivated a relaxing of perfectionism and arrogance.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I lost the ability to walk (which I recovered). I experienced a series of financials setbacks. I also experienced collapses in certain personal relationships.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Those were all in the last 15 years. Also, in the 1990s I reported a violation of policy by a co-worker to the department of justice, expecting an investigation and disciplining of that co-worker as well as a possible reversal of “unauthorized” penalties against an inmate.

    that was actually a pretty big transition as well. I witnessed that “whistle-blowers” are not always greeted with parades.

    I was fired. Lots of other people who knew first-hand about the situation which I reported were also fired. The actual misconduct, to the very best of my knowledge, was completely ignored.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Over time, I came to the conclusion that special interest groups may regulate human behavior, such as defining certain behaviors as crimes UNLESS AUTHORIZED by that special interest group. When a group regulates extortion, that means they punish unauthorized extortion. Their own rituals of extortion (such as taxation) are protected.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Another “dent in the programmed delusions of mainstream schooling” actually happened to me as a student at a public university. I learned about events in WW2 that the soviets (who were then the allies of the U.S.) had blamed on the Nazis. Eventually, the Soviet Union publicly admitted the deception (in the early 1990s). Their soldiers committed the Katyn Forest massacre and then they had blamed the Nazis for political reasons.

    The Media in the UK and the U.S. Had simply repeated the soviet propaganda. As time went on, I realized that this was not very exceptional, but quite normal. I read the short 1929 book “propaganda” by Edward Bernays in which he detailed how he was hired by the U.S. Government to promote public receptivity to an invasion of Europe. He explained how he invented stories to outrage and shame the U.S. public in to supporting that invasion of Europe (which we now call world war 1). Bernays also detailed the methods used to publicize those invented stories and why it was so easy to get so many media outlets to print his fictional press releases.

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  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar Ahhh… congratulations on your awakening.Do you think your suffering has improved your life?
  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar I will have to check out that book Propoganda that you are talking about.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Nicky, you referenced prejudices as defense mechanisms. Here is my take.

    A very common sequence of how prejudice and conceptual bias arises is that there is first an act of aggression and then the formation of a justification for the aggression. In cases like world war one, the aggression was so complex that the justification was conceived prior to the deployment of soldiers.

    in the case of the invasion of Vietnam by the US, we may notice that the use of a slur such as the word “gook” by US soldiers was a consequence of their aggression. Notice that 10 or 20 years prior to the deployment of troops, the troops probably did not know the word Gook. After involvement in the slaughter of civilians, that is when the psychological attraction to forming racist concepts developed.

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  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar Ha! That book is $695 on Amazon.http://smile.amazon.com/Propa…/dp/0970312598/ref=sr_1_1…

    “Bernays’ honest and practical manual provides much insight into some of the most powerful…
    AMAZON.COM
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn As for the European tendency to Display prejudice against Africans, is it fair to consider the long history of military conquest of the moors in to what is now Spain and France and so on? When we consider cases of colonization or out right massacre, we can notice a correlation to an increase in prejudice by the invaders against the colonized population as well as a counter prejudice of the colonized population against the new oppressors.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn So, the idea that racism is a form of hysteria may be quite astute. However, the idea that hysteria should not exist is also very notable. It is arrogant. It is preposterous. It is contrary to observation. In short, it is hysterical as in hysteria.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Plus, it is ironic as in hypocritical. Because of the hypocrisy, the psychological maturity required to perceive the simplicity of The irony may be quite rare.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn There is a time for psychological maturity and a time for hysterical presumptiveness. The challenge with hysterical presumptiveness is that there can be so much resistance to relaxing that habitual coping mechanism.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn You can download the book for free as a PDF.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn The reason that sellers list high prices on Amazon may be that they are selling one of the first editions (a collectors item).
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  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar I can’t help but read your words in harmony with the music of “turn, turn”—There is a time for psychological maturity and a time for hysterical presumptiveness… a time to reap a time to sow…
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  • Todd Daniels get the kindle one
    Unlike · 2 · 1 hr
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I am certain that suffering and distress and disappointment have motivated new sequences of learning. The ideas that I was programmed to worship in public school rituals included conceptual illusions that eventually dissolved because of lasting contrasSee More
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I did not mention yet that I lived in a Buddhist monastery briefly. I was disappointed. The simple reality of the ending of illusions is that when the programmed illusions dissolve, then there can be a period of disorientation. The ending of illusions can be called disillusionment or enlightenment.

    There can be a burst of delirious joy initially. Chronic physical tensions that were developed as coping mechanisms for the social pressures of public school rituals may relax. It can be like releasing a parking brake on a car.

    However, those early releases of latent joy and delight are not the last notable experience in the sequence of awakening. There may still be many layers of drama and chronic physical tension related to suppressing certain emotions as shameful such as fear or anger or grief.

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  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar So you left the monastery?
  • Nicky Curran-Farahvarhttp://blogs.scientificamerican.com/…/decoding-trump…/

    Fans of Donald Trump praise his dedication to…
    BLOGS.SCIENTIFICAMERICAN.COM|BY MELANIE TANNENBAUM
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Note that I mention public school rituals in particular. While those rituals set up a very severe social anxiety and obsession about social validation and what society values, those rituals are of course based on other rituals of earlier imperial institutions, such as the Roman Catholic Church’s Office of the Inquisition to regulate the propagation of certain public perceptions.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Nicky, the song you referenced (by The Byrds) is lyrically a paraphrasing of the third chapter of Ecclesiastes, which is credited to King Solomon.
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  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar Wow. You read the bible too? I say that without a trace of sarcasm. I never read the bible. My dad forbade it.
  • Nicky Curran-Farahvar But I assume you are no longer Christian, so it impresses me when even non-christians know more about Christianity than Christians do.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I left a Zen monastery populated almost entirely by white folks and then visited a monastery with only a handful of monks from Thailand. There were no females in residence. My visit there lasted under two weeks. I had a better sense by that time of what would be attractive to me so it did not take a long time to conclude that living in that monastery might be an impediment to my spiritual development.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I see the link about hating political correctness. I do not expect to click it.

    I do not hate The existence of hysteria. I hate being around hysteria.See More

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Todd may recall that I occasionally quote the Old Testament book of numbers. I do not own a physical Bible but I use the Internet. I have read Far more Buddhist scriptures in the last 20 years then Bible passages.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I have found it interesting that the references in the Old Testament are so clear as to the nature of the celestial beings. I believe that it was Elijah Who was taken up into heaven in a shining metallic craft.

    We also can review the record of how the God of Israel physically led Moses through the desert. The references to an army of angels residing at Mount Hermon and visiting Mount Sinai are very explicit.

    It is also very obvious to anyone who reviews the stories of various cultures that we see the same pattern over and over. The celestial being that led the Hopi tribe to start three villages in northern Arizona is described with the exact same references to the craft coming to the ground, then rising up, then leading the tribe to the specific locations. When viewed from above, those three villages have the same arrangement as the three Pyramids in Egypt or in Mesoamerica. The oral traditions of all of these populations indicate that the people were instructed by the celestial visitor as to the location of the buildings or the villages. Did the architects even know that they were duplicating the three stars in the constellation Orion, The three across the belt of Orion? I am almost certain that these primitive humans did not know what the three villages would look like from above in a satellite image. They did not know that they were being instructed to duplicate The geometry of the three stars in the belt of Orion.

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