Respecting the protection rackets of governments (and the importance of language)

Interesting viewpoint. But I see the reason that government puts its fingers into licensing marriages is so the product of marriage (children ) could be theirs.

I want nothing in this world more than to be a father. Yet I can’t bring myself to celebrate same-sex marriage.
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  • Carl Freestone

    One point he did make that I found intriguing was the concept of government licensing love (which marriage between two people of the same sex is) What business does government have to meddle in that arena? Why shouldn’t I have access to all the benefits you listed outside of marriage. If there are benefits there must also be restrictions, just like in marriage. Several years ago it hit me strangely my getting a marriage license. I felt i had invited a third party into bed with me. I felt akin, but worse than the Scots having to give the first night to the baron who reigned over the wedded couple (See Braveheart). Correct me if I’m wrong, but submitting to a license puts me under new rules and regulations that are outside the arena of common law. It also makes what is produced under that license (children) subject to regulation by the government. Pretty soon government will be licensing breathing or licensing masturbation, which is being married to yourself. They already have licensed Marijuana. Taking psychedelics is illegal. WHY? Why is drinking alcohol legal? It is far worse for you. The whole concept of government licensing is more to give the government more control protect the public.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn The business of governments is to use force (or threats of force) to promote certain outcomes that benefit those who form governments and operate them. When the lord of the armies of Israel directed Noah to impose regulatory systems on all of humanity, that was to govern the masses, not to “protect” them. Later, when Moses was commanded to gather an army and slaughter the midianites, that was not to protect the midianites, was it?

    All the sheep, donkeys, goats, cattle, and 32,000 Virgin girls were taken. All the male midianites of any age were massacred (by the lord’s command) and all females except those 32,000 were also massacred.

    Now, if you have been trained to be ashamed of those simple realities, that is a different issue. If you have been programmed to be confused, so be it. But the reality is simple enough.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn When communists took over Cambodia, did shapes of ink on “holy” paper protect the middle class from the bullets and bombs? Not at all.

    Common law does not “protect” anyone either. If you are able to assert your interests according to the principles of common law, that is you protecting yourself by one of several possible methods.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Generally speaking, socialist systems take a chunk of the economic productivity of the labor force (which used to be Almost exclusively male back in the 1930s when social security started in the US). Then, those benefits were also extended to the wives of those men as a way of increasing public compliance with that program.

    in other words, governments bully and extort whoever they target, then they say “hey, but now we will do you a huge favor by extending your benefits to your wife (as long as you marry her in conformity to our rules). You should thank us!”

    To then extend the social security benefits to same-sex couples may be bizarre. I consider it distracting trivia.

    However, The bottom line is that governments are in charge due to their superior military capacity. They take what they can and then make the rules for how to apply to get a better chunk of the wealth that they redistribute.

    A few billion dollars in social security benefits by new definitions of marriage is trivia. The basics of the system remain.

  • Carl Freestone I’m not really interested in being controlled. I would rather control myself than have another control me. As far as the Midianites, if that happens to our society I will deal with it or be killed. If my daughters are taken as sex slaves by a force bigger than me I will be angry and sad but I’ll get over it.
  • Carl Freestone You said it better than i could.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Lol. Yeah well if all of us males were massacred, we would not be around.

    imperialism is the system that Noah developed and that is continued in our midst. If you have a mobile phone service, you are participating in the system. Shame is optional.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn All of our commercial activity using a government currency is “a benefit.” Be grateful. Many have it much worse than you or I. Be angry too if you like, but be grateful as well.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn It would not be ridiculous to say that the USA is the most successful empire in human history. We are beneficiaries in that system.

    We may condemn the benefits in shame. We may reject them and say “I do not deserve it.” Or, we may be grateful for the benefits we have received, are receiving, and will receive.

  • Carl Freestone I get about the phone. Also bank accounts are agreements to pay taxes. Woman when confronted with the choice of a weak man or a government that gives out benefits with hidden regulations attached will probably marry government and ditch her weak husband (in comparison). It feels like the marriage licence turns both parties into kids to be watched and rewarded. It really destroys masculinity.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Any exchange involving the private central bank’s currency is involving them in the contract between buyer and seller.
  • Carl Freestone I am grateful for a system that works so well. But I want as little of it as possible.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Marriage laws may favor the wife over the husband. We could say that the court system challenges the men- rewarding certain kinds of masculinity and punishing it’s absence.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn What about protection of exclusive rights to occupy property (real estate)? Wanting as little of it as possible is not about the system. That is about who you are for yourself. (How you relate to yourself in language)
  • Carl Freestone You could say that. But in my mind it’s time for me to grow up and live beyond being rewarded by Big Daddy whose only objective is to control.
  • Carl Freestone True. And who I am is not big enough to fight big daddy who really loves my wife more than me.
  • Carl Freestone Or has bigger benefits to hand out.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn An old conversation: there is a check for $150 in the drawer. There is some gasoline and food available in exchange for $$$. Will you cash the check or what?
    • Carl Freestone There is a scripture in the Book of Mormon which says “Touch not the evil gift”. I feel that is very sound advice. Now what there is to do is define what an evil gift is. An evil gift is any gift given with a grudge or as a reaction to a complaint or or in landmark terminology is racket based. I also would say that an evil gift is any gift given with the motive to domesticate me. I won’t take the gift. I prefer to be a wild man. The movie dead poet society comes to my mind. Those boys refused the education they were offered and some of them chose to be real men and undomesticated and untamed and they were powerful. And they were inspiring
    • Carl Freestone Behind every racket is an ideal. A neat little package that you wish others would conform to. The opposite of a racket is Anarchy. It is being ruled by my heart. There, there is freedom, passion, unruliness, wildness.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn You are grown up. However, you could stop practicing the verbal programs of figuring out what is wrong, who is wrong, and so on.
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    • Carl Freestone I have a grown up body but I am not equipped to raise a family or be a proper husband. That is a self judgement and is open to debate. I may be being too hard on myself. I did not receive adequate training in how to be a father or a lover or a husband. Or maybe I did and I’m just living in this story. Maybe I’m gay and was never meant to be a woman. Maybe maybe maybe. I could live out of the context yes I am grown up. And be grown up in the areas that I feel reliable in. as far as the figuring out what and who is wrong I don’t feel like I’m doing that. Enlighten me and show me what you are talking about
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Cloudy thinking about “which gifts are evil” is the same as “which gifts are wrong.” You operate around shame- you did things, some of which you relate to as wrong. You have a past, some of which you relate to as wrong. In addition to “making yourself wrong,” you make the vast majority of the billions of humans on the planet wrong.
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn If We invent that maybe certain other people “should have trained you better,” we can make them wrong too.
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn I will add that maybe you cannot stop figuring out what is wrong. Maybe you instead take it to the extreme. Maybe you list every single thing and then go around telling everyone that everything is wrong. They are wrong. You were wrong but now you are rSee More
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn You could accumulate benefits to hand out. However, if you did, you would be giving up this excuse: “I am not giving you benefits because I have none to give.” You might encounter “I do have benefits to give, but here are the conditions that it will take for you to receive them….”
    • Carl Freestone I do have conditioned benefits to give. I also have benefits that my family doesn’t want. Like living on the land in sub-optimal and primitive and archaic conditions. I hope that my boys would choose wildness over domestication with all of its dis comforts and inconvenience
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Did you notice that you totally avoided the issue I pointed to of you asserting control? Your whole narrative is to me about victimhood. I say of course governments victimized you. That is their job.

      they also benefited you. For you to organize your life around being a better perfectionist than those evil ones (who live in cities or whatever), that is a full time job.

      you are either complete with your past or you are an idolater worshiping your past with condemnation. You vilify a villain. You lose. Game over.

      if you are scared, great. There are dangers.

      Most Paranoia is about being terrified but pretending not to be- it is a form of ashamed hysteria. However, to be cautious means to allow fear to move your attention to possible risks and then measure them (get powerfully related to them).

      instead of fearing God, you fear shame. You do not relate to shame as a great blessing. You justify paralysis as a method for avoiding shame. What if you stopped avoiding it?

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn You could fight or condemn “big daddy.” You could be big daddy. You could relate to “big daddyness” in a variety of ways or not at all.
  • Carl Freestone I’m not fighting or condemning Big Daddy. & I don’t want to be big Daddy
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Imagine that an institution forms that says “hey parents, we will take care of your children for you. You can even abandon them to us (whether you want to or not) and maybe we will let someone else adopt them. We will train the children and program them and vaccinate them and make sure that they are confused and hysterical about worshiping the demons of cholesterol and cancer and injustice.”

    imagine that all of that stirred up some emotion in you, but you worshiped the idea that several emotions are shameful and must be avoided.

    Imagine that eventually you isolated yourself so you could privately allow emotion to stir vitality in you and cause you to refocus and learn.

    imagine that you have been fighting you.

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