“Why did God create shaming / ideas of sin?”

(This dialogue makes sense if you start at my first comment, though I will include the whole thing here.)


Here’s how I see it:

God is unconditional love.

We are all God.

The reason God is unconditional love is because God is everything.

Everything that can follow I AM, said by anyone or anything anywhere or anywhen is God.

I think that the way that works out is that everyone is completely unique, and they are the way that they are, so that I can be the way that I am.

Our diversity is what makes us so beautiful, and our diversity is based on every single thing that God has thus far to this moment (which is eternal, and ever expanding) conceived to follow I AM.

God recognizes that everything that can be conceived of is a part of that whole that is God, and realizes that God could not be, if everything could not.

Through unconditionally loving everyone for their differences, God is unconditionally loving the Self, and that is why shame is considered to be the original and only sin.

Because there is no part of God that is not also God, and there is no instinct or action that we make that can be considered to be shameful, because God is the one that put it there.

I could go on, but it would only even more redundant

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn So why did God “make” the social experience of shame?
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  • Thyris Discordia Because God felt shame at some point and is beginning to grow out of it smile emoticon
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Shaming is a social behavior involving the communication of a threat (the promotion of anxiety and blind compliance). Why are adult women in many cultures shamed for showing their nipples in public (or even showing their face)? Because exposure can be disruptive.

    a few decades back when thong bathing suits first appeared, Florida passed a law that roadside fruit vendors could not put a lady in a tiny g-string on the side of the road to wave at drivers. Why? Too many car crashes.

  • Thyris Discordia Lol that’s ridiculous. It wouldn’t be distracting if it wasn’t rare. It’s rare because of the original sin
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Shaming can promote social order / stability.
  • Thyris Discordia Wow….



  • J R Fibonacci Hunn There is also a common pattern that small towns will put in a traffic light at bad intersections after someone DIES in a car wreck at that intersection. There can be lots of collisions there, but no light will be put in. One fatality and suddenly people get ashamed of resisting the light (which they already knew was justified).
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Social shaming is a behavioral innovation of high-density populations. There are many specific forms of it (what gets shamed), but the basic existence of shaming is basically universal.

    Primitive tribes are ashamed about less things and different things, like the way that a restaurant throws away food in the U.S. Might be considered shameful in a primitive tribe. Or Being unmarried and childless but already 15 years old.

  • Thyris Discordia Fatalities are choices. People don’t need to be controlled the way you are saying.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn You can argue over what needs to be. Shaming is used to influence behavior.
    • Thyris Discordia And influencing behavior is controlling people. I don’t misunderstand you, I only find your view on this to be wrong. I understand you just fine. You think shame is useful which means you still experience it, which means you’ve not yet accepted all of See More
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Why do you care? If I desire to suppress certain other desires (in myself), so what?

      Ironically, you might review what is written here and notice that I accept shame fully. You may the one who is ashamed of shame.

    • Thyris Discordia I’m shameless tongue emoticon you’ve tried this trick on me before and it didn’t work then either lol.

      shame has had a good run of it. 13,000 years give or take a couple decades, there’s much more beyond it.

      People can do whatever they want, and need no interference from you or from me or from “society” and they will anyway.

      So it is better to just allow them to do what they will without trying to remove that from them.

    • J R Fibonacci Hunn To make up categories of “better and worse” is your way of shaming / influencing behavior. I accept that.
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn You seem ungrateful for God’s creation of shame. You seem to reject it as “a mistake.” I simply think that is hilarious. The fact that I may have done the same thing does not make it less hilarious. After all, God is also the one creating all of the rejection and resentment and so on.
    • Thyris Discordia I do see what you’re saying, and it is a form of clinging to old ideals.
  • Thyris Discordia And influencing behavior is wrong.
  • Thyris Discordia I don’t say that about many things. But free will is the only natural law as far as I know
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn You can shame others for attempting to influence behavior, but that could also be an attempt to influence behavior. When I go to a roadside fruit stand and offer to pay $4 for however many oranges, that is influencing behavior. I am “voting” for the seller to not only hand me a bunch oranges and then let me leave without pulling a gun on me (because I paid the price asked), but I am also indirectly voting for them to go and gather more oranges to sell another day.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn So gravity and electromagnetism are no longer natural laws, eh? wink emoticon
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  • Thyris Discordia Duh. Quantum physics proved that like…50, I wanna say, years ago? But people are only just beginning to take that field seriously.
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn The fact that people can influence how electromagnetic charge disperses is just influencing the behavior of an electromagnetic charge using something called “free will.” The entire idea of free will is based on influencing one’s own behavior and/or the behavior of others.
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn
      Write a reply…
  • Thyris Discordia Relativity and all that jazz



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