“[Gay?] kids these days are out of control.” – Cicero, 44 A.D.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn So, Dan, basically what you are saying is that I was naive when I was younger!?!? You did not even know me when I was 6!

    You act like I must have been afraid a long time ago in the past just because I am displaying a desperate tantrum of hysteria right now, right? You are arrogant and analytical and a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, which proves your lack of credibility. This should not be like this!

  • Daniel Fritschler Well as long as you are aware that you are displaying a desperate tantrum of hysteria than you may not be doing it out of fear…. and yes you were a dumbass 6 year old which you should not have been!?!?!?! Now we have to build a time machine and go back and fix this shit…..dammit
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I have a time machine in my mouth. “Here is how the past used to be: governments were more honest and less coercive.”
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn “Which is how it should always be… Because that is what the government-operated schools told absolutely everyone because they care so much about me personally.”
  • Daniel Fritschler lol too fucking funny, no?
  • Liz Gentry Kids these days are out of control. They don’t respect their elders, they have no respect for others’ property, and they wear clothing and perform acts no self-respecting citizen would. – Cicero, 44AD
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I think what Cicero was trying to say is that young people tend to be ignorant, immature, and untamed, plus naively unaware of the punishments that the adults will soon implement on them in order to govern and regulate them (with more intensity as the youth mature). At any given point, the youth have not been fully traumatized, terrorized, humiliated, and shamed- not yet.
  • Liz Gentry And each generation thinks they are right so the higher you become in the pecking order the less tolerant and more set in your ways. We need to let our kids make those mistakes. it has been going on this way since time immemorium.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Liz, I disagree on a particular point. For those rising in the social order, they have the influence and confidence to be less tolerant and more invasive (to the extreme of actual military invasions and occupations and so on). For those at the upper levels of the social order, those people have the capacity to let their kids make “more” mistakes (to protect their own children from excessive supervision, intolerance, propaganda, and trauma while at the same time pouring it on the masses).

    That is what has been going on since time immemorium. There are also waves of various kinds of excess, with each wave of excess leading to a reactionary conservatism, then moderation, then eventually excess again.

    There is no “generation” that does not have bias (think of itself as right). What is interesting is that within EVERY generation, there are some who are aware of human psychology and recognize the vast distinctions between things like a ranting arrogance and a calm courage.

    The arrogant insistence that “_____ should not be how it is” is the foundation of all “suffering” (in the Buddhist sense of the word). However, that arrogance is itself simply an effect of a form of terror.

    No one is born terrified of violations to their expectations. Why? because no one is born with expectations at all!

    “Hi kids, let’s talk about pubic hair!”

    We are programmed with expectations. When we internalize an expectation and then recognize our own inconsistency with some internalized expectation, that can produce the experience called shame (hiding that inconsistency). From shame, arrogance is a natural by-product.

    To distract others (and myself) from shame, I can say “look over there: ____ should not be how it is!” Such terrified, arrogant condemnation of reality is totally optional, but immensely popular.

    People can attempt to drown their shames in alcohol, music, their careers, celebrity gossip, political fanaticism, or gambling. All of that has some value (like as a band-aid), yet only so much.

    The only way to fully relax our condemnation of reality is to admit it and then withdraw it (to repent by admitting to our past terrors… without adding a condemnation or apology about our past terrors). This is rather clearly stated in the New Testament as well as in the scriptures of many other traditions, but the naive arrogance of the vast majority of people may tend to “bury” those “embarrassing” passages amidst a bunch of fluff and controversy.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn An example is “gay marriage.” That is one my favorite “non-issues.” It is like “homosexual impregnation” or “gay heterosexuality.”

    Let’s review the word origins: Matrimony means “motherhood” (or, more specifically, an expectation of motherhood/pregnancy/procreation).

    c.1300, from O.Fr. matremoine, from L. matrimonium “wedlock, marriage,” from matrem (nom. mater) “mother” + -monium, suffix signifying “action, state, condition.”

    Eventually, that word evolved in to “marriage.” Then, recently, gay couples who want to have a wedding ceremony used the term “marriage” as if it means nothing more than “wedding.” (Of course, this may have been encouraged by certain political groups aiming at stirring trivial but emotional controversies.)

    Any parent who does not want to be a grandparent can tell their kid(s) that exclusive homosexuality is wonderful. That is their loss. They can promote “lesbian motherhood” or “celibate motherhood” or “male motherhood” whatever they like.

    I was adopted. Adoption is not the same as procreation. Kind of like reading a scripture is not the same as comprehending the simplicity of it.

    O.E. weddian “to pledge, covenant to do something, marry,” from P.Gmc. *wadjojanan (cf. O.N. veðja “to bet, wager,” O.Fris. weddia “to promise,” Goth. ga-wadjon “to betroth”), from PIE base *wadh- “to pledge, to redeem a pledge” (cf. L. vas, gen. vadis “bail, security,” Lith. vaduoti “to redeem a pledge”). Sense remained “pledge” in other Gmc. languages (cf. Ger. Wette “bet, wager”); development to “marry” is unique to Eng.

    O.E. weddung “state of being wed” (see wed ). Meaning “ceremony of marriage” is recorded from c.1300; the usual O.E. word for the ceremony was bridelope, lit. “bridal run,” in reference to conducting the bride to her new home.


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