Suffering and enlightenment

  • Mark Harrison Enlightenment is a word, that has a lot of taboo attached to it. What it is really? In simple terms, it is right now. Right here, right now, this experience as it is, no judgements no attachments to it, no aversions to it. The present moment is all there is. So therefore an enlightened person, knows, that the past and the future are illusions created in the now. That’s it… Which is disappointing to most. Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water…. After enlightenement, chop wood carry water…..

    The difference between the two… Is that before, you chop wood and carry water as if your life depends on it.

    After, you chop wood and carry water, with a smile on your face, because you realize you are life.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I like a lot of what Mark wrote. However, enlightenment could be said to include the experiencing of all judgements, all attachments, all aversions, and all attractions. 

    Before enlightenment, there may be an anxious worship of the word enlightenment. After enlightenment, whether or not there was ever an anxious worship of any particular word is recognized to be of no importance whatsoever.

    Attachments? So what!

    Aversions? So what!

    Enlightenment? So what!?!?

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  • Mark Harrison Everything else, is just noise. People expect this great big secret to be revealed, and the only secret that is revealed, is that you are god having subjective experience, and beyond that, everything is one. You still get to live the life you’re living, the difference is, you live it true to yourself, rather than how others wanted you to live. Which changes your life. You realize that you’re not your suffering. That you create your reality. Enlightenment is simply the realization that you are god. Everyone is already enlightened, it is only our degree of realization, that makes us different.
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  • Mark Harrison The ascension process, on the way to enlightenment, is when we experience all sorts of falling apart. All sorts of letting go, and creating new aversions and attachments, and letting those go, and it’s a constant process of destruction, it is the falling away of everything that is not you.
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  • Mark Harrison That process can take several years, or it can take a single night, it depends on you.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I consider “true to yourself” to be an unnecessary complication. There simply does not need to be any concern with “who I am being faithful to?” That entire conversation may seem nothing but a playful irony with no importance.

    To know that there is no need to be true to anything, that is freedom. Forget about enlightenment. Notice that you are already free. That is enough.

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  • Mark Harrison What is there about yourself that you cannot change J R? Your excitements? Passions? Sexuality? these are the things that are true to you.
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  • Mark Harrison Everyone is different and unique, we are all here, to give ourselves to the world, and that comes in the form of excitement. We are drawn to certain things, and if we follow it, synchronicity takes over.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Mark, you can think of it like this: name one thing about me that is not true to me.

    If I pretend to be happy because I am afraid of people noticing that I am sad, that is still me truly pretending whatever I pretended. There is no issue required of being true or untrue.

    Such issues can be worshiped as “sacred attachments.” However, they can simply be allowed to arise and then allowed to subside. So what?

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn “This is my secret: I don’t mind what happens!” – Jiddu Krishnamurti

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Excitement can come and go. So what?
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  • Mark Harrison There is a base personality, beyond your ego, that has certain characteristics that make you who you are as a subjective experience. You can call it your souls mission, whatever you want to call it. It is why you are here, at this time. Some people are drawn to horseback riding, others to being a scientist, others to writing, others to adventure, others to living the hippy lifestyle and so on and so forth. However, the majority of us, lose sight of that, through growing up in a world that is full conditioning, and they settle for less than they know they deserve, then they forget that they deserve it, and so we have suffering, and people begin to take from each other, and so on it goes, as we see throughout the world today. So we have to learn, and take everything that happens to us, as a learning experience, to live true to ourselves, and to know that we are not our suffering, that whatever occurs in our minds, is not who we are, that life doesn’t actually happen to us, but that we are life.
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  • Mark Harrison For us to get beyond that suffering, beyond all those mind patterns that have entered into our subconscious, and affected our lives without us being consciously aware of it…. We must live in the present moment, we must become more and more aware of what it is that we don’t want. To allow the energy to flow through us, rather than holding onto it. Because that is all thought patterns are, holding onto energy so that it isn’t let go of. That is why when we hear the phrase, let go, people are so confused, let go of what? So when people do let go, suddenly they are freed from that energy, and they feel the infinite energy that they are, and it can be an incredible experience, which is why there are so many book written about it, which is why the search for inner peace in the modern world is so frantic. Because the experience of letting go, and diving into the infinite consciousness that we are, is our liberation, it is the freedom of the mind, that we all wish we had. The present moment is all we have ever had, it is only thought patterns that keep us from actually being present, even though, we’ve never left it. It’s a paradox, but it’s always a paradox, and when you truly understand that it’s always a paradox, you discover who you are.
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  • Mark Harrison Which is exactly what that quote means, not minding what happens. To be in the world, but not of the world. In other words, to know who you are, to define yourself, rather than being defined by the world. To not mind the opinions of others, to not mind the judgements of others, and to not mind, any situation that may occur. In other words, you maintain being true to yourself, despite the external circumstances. You don’t mind what happens. It just is.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn To strive to get beyond suffering is called agonizing. No amount of agonizing will produce enlightenment. However, the practice of agonizing can lead someone to recognize the effects of that practice (which is agony) and to discontinue investing in to that result.

    However, all of that happens through grace. There is no importance to ideas like “I do not really deserve all of that suffering” or “I deserve better.” That is just more of the presumptive, delusional hysteria. Forget about it.

    If an awareness of a preference arises, that is welcome. If there is noticing of a phrase like “I really deserve it,” that is also welcome because it still has no importance and that is instantly clear.

    All of the words are just words on the filmstrip in a move projector when there is no screen. The movie projector can play the filmstrip and send the shapes of words out at the clouds, but if there is nothing to display the slogans, then it does not matter what is on the film.

    So, there is an experience of the flow of events and some seem to have no importance at all, while others seem to attract lasting attention for a while. Does that sound like your life already? 

    Why would you make up a definition of paradise that is different from the foundation of your present experience? Why worship an ideal that you conceive as absent currently? What a silly thing to do, right?

    Forget about that too. So what?

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  • Mark Harrison It does not mean you don’t feel, and have emotions. It means you feel them like a child, they arise, and they fade. Be like a child.
  • Mark Harrison You’re alive…. so what? You say so what, as if nothing matters, which paradoxically means, everything matters.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Forget about discovering who you are. Forget about “things that keep me from being present.”

    You have always been present, right? Language can be a useful tool, but it can be a trap. 

    Check this out. Language is not required for enlightenment.

    No idea of “someone who needs to let go of something” is required. There is no one to choose to let go of anything.

    There is simply the experience of the agony of “I am in hell and the reason for that is that I need to let go of something first so I can get to heaven.” Or, that is seen as a joke. Or, some other experience appears. So what? 

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  • Mark Harrison All it really is, is being identified with the mind. it’s really that simple.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Yes, and then there is the obvious related question of “what is the mind?” There may be a few different answers that are useful.

    Do I need to define myself and reject some other definition of me? No, but all of that is fine too.See More

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Harald, I have great respect for Mooji. Thanks for sharing that with folks who will find that delivery appealing, resonant and relevant.
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  • Harald Trebus _/!\_ 
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn As for Eckhart Tolle, hey, that may be appealing to someone as well. I just consider him to have been (when I last made note of him) nowhere nearly as “in focus” as Mooji or Douglas Harding.www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcDMJvO6aHU

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    Extract from talk by Douglas Harding, Melbourne 1991 The full talk is available on DVD from headless.org
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Mark, I can elaborate on this point:

    “You’re alive…. so what? You say so what, as if nothing matters, which paradoxically means, everything matters.”

    The whole issue of “something mattering” is just an experience. What we all know is that what seems to matter is temporary. It changes.

    So, yes, everything matters, but only one thing at a time! That is very different from your interpretation of what I wrote. My comment was not dismissive.

    Suffering comes. Suffering goes. So what?

    So it is only temporary! That’s what. 

    Does suffering need to be chased away or avoided? No, but that is a perfectly valid experiment too. 

    The best way to avoid focusing on reverse psychology is to think constantly about not thinking about it. When suffering is not resisted, but embraced and explored, that is enlightenment.

  • Mark Harrison Saying yes to negativity is a profoundly positive way of thinking. That is the only way suffering is transcended, by going into it and allowing it do it must do…. Which is actually “letting go” allowing it to flow through you. By minding what happens, you hold onto that negative experience and it stays with you over and over and over again. Which is what leads to addictions, depression, anxiety, fear, and so on….Until we decide, finally, to let it go, by saying yes to it, facing it.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Someone can define something as “negative.” That is just the mind and it’s labels in language. So what?

    There is no need to choose anything else other than what is already happening by itself. There is no need to oppose or resist or reject any of reality, including patterns of rejecting reality. All of the patterns can come and go. So what?

    Indeed, the persistent notion of “I have a choice in the matter” may be an obstruction. Is it a helpful presumption? If not, why keep “entertaining” it?

    There is no need to let go. There can be hanging on to things without noticing. There can be noticing hanging on to things. There can be noticing the subsiding of hanging on to things. There can even be terminology like “I need to let go later” or “I am now letting go.” So what?

    When there is no clinging, there is no need to let go. You do not need to let go of clinging. Just notice clinging. Noticing it gently tends to end the perpetuating of the clinging.

    You do not need to let go of the idea of “someone who could let go or cling.” Just notice that idea.

    It is inherently temporary. A gentle attention arises by itself, “letting go” of a rigid patterning of attention as chronic tension and perfectionism and self-importance.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn When agonizing is recognized as a behavior, then it is easy to notice it arising and subsiding. Suffering is not something that happens to humans. Suffering is something that humans may occasionally do temporarily. So what?
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