the functional spectrum of meaningful vs meaningless

  • There is no inherent meaning to anything which can make it hard to respect the meaning that most make up. There is no meaning of life until one is made up which doesn’t really effect what happens but only really alters the subjectivity of an author. Is that fool’s gold or is an objective approach the way of Satan? What is better than making sense? How about not making any sense ey?
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    • Harry Lieberwirth So uh, in assessment; ”what is the meaning of perceiving no inherent meaning?”Good one. xD
    • Daniel Fritschler Haha…thank you JR has inspired me to write as many things that don’t make sense as possible…this my friend is just the tip of the iceberg. ..and if you don’t think I can make it even more absurd just keep watching  . The only thing I want to do anymore is be absurd…I am a sick man and I need a minister to administer some helpful medicine.
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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn The meaning of something- for you- is how you relate to it, how you label it, how you interpret it, how you describe it. If I ever said that the meaning of a communication is the RESULT produced or the BEHAVIOR produced in others (not just their experience), that is also a FUNCTIONAL approach.By functional approach, I mean studying something with an interest in how it functions, how it IS functional, how it COULD BE functional, and so on. People may debate these issues, but if they are arguing, that may not be what I am calling a “functionalist approach.”This approach is actually the normal spontaneous result of curiosity, but extreme efforts may be used to distract people from practicing a functionalist approach, such as by drilling them with social paranoia and idealism. So, instead of focusing on health, they may be pre-occupied with “fighting” a diagnostic label that some high priests say is possessing them.
    • Daniel Fritschler Yes absurdities are very functional in a world related to by many as making sense and being all label conscious. Sometimes you disappoint me when you try to get all functional as if that is really necessary or wanted…..functional could never be absurd just as absurdities could never be functional….grow up sensei you are stuck in “fighting” diagnostic labels with the rigor of a high priest wtf?
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    • Daniel Fritschler My options are that I can live a boring and miserable functional life of pretense or I can live a random and fun filled trivial life….which will it be Neo?
    • Daniel Fritschler Let’s face it functional implies the use of pretense….you can’t have one without the other.
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    • Daniel Fritschler Pre tension is the idea of what present tense? Haha absurd or what?
    • Jahnation Freedman Robert LeeWhen I let go of pretense, the words joy and peace take on real meaning.
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    • Harry Lieberwirth And when neither subjective demands or preferences (like peace, joy, or social dominance for that matter) nor the condition of ”there can only be peace/happiness/joy if… X/Y” are a must (or are seen alike to the demands of a fictional character), ironically, there seems to appear a sense of peace regardless of the sensation, emotion, or desire.. a sort of relaxing into it. Suppose ”trust” could be another word. Like watching a thunderstorm or trees wave in the wind quite contentedly, either way.
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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Daniel, you made a “false” either/or “bind.” Here is an example of a functional approach.David (from Rage-Debate) says “low pH causes cancer.” That is fine, but I say “so what?”I know how to alter the pH of cells so that they stop producing the effect(s) called cancer. I can be naturally curious about “what is pH” and “what is cancer?”By not getting caught up in the labels or the conventional models of how people use the labels, I have power. I now that pH is an effect and that cancer is an effect of that effect.

      People who relate to cancer as a cause (or to pH as a cause) may have a paranoid panic of trying to fight “nature.” They are not using language from a functional perspective.

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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn pH is not a “something” that can “possess” someone. It is a scale of measurement.To say “your temperature is high, which is causing your fever,” is the paradigm of nonsense used by people who say things like “cancer is causing a tumor to grow.” The cellular balance of electrons to protons, which can be measured on the pH (“potential Hydrogen”) scale, inhibits the normal functioning of the mitochondria and leads to a cessation of aerobic metabolism and a growth of tumors, which can then be labeled “cancer.” In other words, cancer is also a diagnostic “measurement.”Billions of dollars can be spent to look for ways to profit off of this language system of nonsense and anti-functionality. That is no great concern to me (because I am neither a loyalist to the mainstream medical myths nor an investor in the commercial business of symptom management and pharmaceutical addictions).Even if I had any concerns like those, my higher priority would still be to influence my own pH levels to promote my optimal functionality. In doing that, of course the effect of cancer would discontinue.

      Cancer is just a cellular behavior. If I stop creating that behavior in the cells, then that behavior stops.

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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Here is the original exchange between David, myself, and Mark Dey (whose wife is Angie/”Ang”):

      So ang is gonna try the paleo diet out in the new year. I figure the easiest way…See More
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn So, in language, we can form absurd constructions, like “I would have more hair if it just was not for this baldness slowly creeping back on my forehead.” I occasionally play in the absurdity. However, this is to point out the prevalence of the absurdity to those who are ripe.The fact that we can use language to say “hi, how was your Christmas?” is MIRACULOUS. People who also speak English well and are not deaf can UNDERSTAND that strange sequence of sounds (or read these shapes on this screen). This is fucking amazing.So, if we start with this pattern that I label “respect” and then we “respect language,” of course we encounter a ton of mainstream absurdity and BS and idealism and paranoia and idolatry. However, that is not the point. Respect does not end because we begin to observe the variations of contrasting “disrespect.”That is the sin of the ignorant, the heathen, the goy/goyim, the gentile. Just because lots of them say that they follow Jesus or Isaiah is irrelevant. They are totally ignorant of what sin REALLY is.

      It’s not their fault. It is simply an observable distinction. Whether we use any labels about these distinctions, you notice the very different energy or “spirit” of people. You can tell easily who “reeks” of fear.

      Then there is a stage of mocking disrespect, which can be fun. Again, that is not the endpoint either.

      But if you can’t respect language, then you cannot mock disrespect (disrespectful language). If you cannot mock disrespect, then you are not ready for the next stage. You can, [Daniel], so you are.

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    • Harry Lieberwirth The label respect could be interchanged with what i previously labeled trust or peace. Due to this sense, whether labeled respect, trust, or peace, it seems there is no longer a certain emotionally-attached predisposition towards perception (”something should/should not be a certain way/exist”).. the sense of perpetual frustration is then also absent. Could throw parables or allegory around trying to describe this sense, but if these descriptions are sounding absurd, doubt that would clear much up. If they do not, peace out yo
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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Sin is a frightened spirit of contentiousness, a neurochemical panic, a state of distress, the fight/flight response of the “sympathetic nervous system.” If you can witness this distinction, then you can notice it occasionally in your own history.
      Respect it. Notice the trauma/drama in action.It has value. However, there is something else that you might value even more.Mocking it is a function of creating clarity about it and withdrawing repulsion. Instead of saying “I hate the sympathetic nervous system and it’s functions,” with sincere hatred being ironically “sympathetic,” I say “man, this system seems pretty nervous. I think it might be some kind of a nervous system.”

      In that case, the absurdity is SO naked that anyone can see it. Some will think “that statement is stupid. Is that an insult against me? A threat? Why is Daniel laughing at that? I’m jealous!” That is exactly what they should think- and the repulsion or attraction that they should feel.

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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Harry, I am using respect as a verb. (And I recognize that trust, which you mentioned, could fit here too.) I am also setting up analogies that when a brain has available electrons and is PROGRAMMED through language to use them efficiently, then panic subsides *relatively* quickly.It is not that panic or agonizing or sin should not be. It is not that “you should practice respect.” It is that you either do or that you do not.”No try there is.” – Yo, duh!
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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Once it is experienced what “sobriety” is, then one can have a little to drink or none at all. However, the panic of urgency to “drown” the shame will subside as the shame relaxes and self-respect develops.The Jedi novice first learns the consequences of the “typical” habits. Then, an interest in cultivating CHI (available electrons) may arise. Then, methods of cultivating it can be explored, as well as a recognition of activities that waste “precious energy.” An interest in the de-programming of crippling mainstream habits may arise as well (one of my recent favorite past-times).The one who has immense reserves of Chi can do things that are “wasteful” (exhausting/crippling) for the novice- or simply impossible. If the novice is attracted to cultivating an abundance of Chi, then certain patterns of activity follow.
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    • Harry Lieberwirth Not sure if you meant to imply you thought i implied ”should practice respect” (?), but i meant that in what i perceive as respect, the persistence of the feeling ”something should/should not be that way or appear to exist” is noticed as absent.. not that emotions, fear, etc, are absent in and of themselves, just an absence of a condemning pre-disposition (pre-judging? lol.) That is to say in the sense that i use respect, the sense of ”should” and ”should not” don’t play a prominent role, or none at all. Not too familiar with the biology, chemistry or neuroscientific sides, can only describe feelings and recollections of experience.. but yes, it seems to make sense that certain behaviours become hardwired, so to say.Have made no study of in how far this can be affected through physical aids (particular diets, drugs, herbs, etc), though it seemed to have coincided with some advaitic, buddhist, and taoist practices. That’s not to say i have the opinion that aids are useless, wouldn’t know, and it seems to make sense that certain compounds in food can can effect chemistry in relatively harmful ways, like poisons, or affect it in relatively beneficial ways, though i don’t know of an example for that. Did read some of the articles on wheat and paleo diet that you shared and they seemed sensible.. but ultimately it seems like either not enough of it is eaten in general to inspire the bouts of extreme emotional conflict, paranoia, etc, or perhaps the effect or intensity thereof varies from body to body.. like allergy?
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Yes, behaviors do “entrench” neural pathways. That is why the confusion stage is so important- a breaking down of prior entrenchments.
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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn One who respects language will notice “you should be quiet in the library” as exactly what it is. We can say things like that or not. The primary difference is in the mindfulness. I can use the same language patterns of a “regular person” and I may use them with distress, with mindful mockery, or with mindful “sincerity” (like to get the students in my class to be quiet in the library- whether through terror or distraction, etc).
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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn “I want to congratulate you, class, for how quiet and respectful you are. When we go to the library later today, I am going to be very proud of you for following the rule to speak only very quietly while in the library. I appreciate and value each of you very much. You are such a GOOD class!”
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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn That is just mindful programming. If 60% of the children understand English, that may be enough to sway the entire group, because a class of children function as a herd. They pick up cues from each other. If the “leaders” of the class are enrolled in policing the rest of the class, then the teacher is successful in their manipulation.Even if the manipulation is only partly successful, that is still effectiveness.
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      • Harry Lieberwirth
        Harry Lieberwirth

        ‘Sin is a frightened spirit of contentiousness, a neurochemical panic, a state of distress, the fight/flight response of the “sympathetic nervous system.” If you can witness this distinction, then you can notice it occasionally in your own history.”

        Thank you. Its funny.. some interpretation might see this as saying that state is ”bad”, because ”sin” is often considered a ”bad thing”. Ie, interpret it as an accusation (which is in the spirit of ”sin” in the bible, i hear). But what i read is that you’re simply pointing out, that you perceive that that which in scripture is referred to as ”sin”, is a neurological effect, or a perceivable phenomenal event. I just noticed how if the assumption that ”sin should not exist by definition” is there, and there is an emotional charge or neurochemical panic (”sin”), then the word ”sin” is somehow a huge trigger. or ”A sinner cannot stand to hear the word ‘sin’.” Just seems.. strangely, poetically funny.

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        Monty Python’s The Meaning of Life (album) (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

      • J R Fibonacci Hunn
        J R Fibonacci Hunn

        Right, the “trigger” is perceived as THREATENING accusation. If you accuse me of violating a traffic regulation and you are not a cop, I will probably ignore your accusation.

        Other related words are shame or terror.

      • J R Fibonacci Hunn
        J R Fibonacci Hunn

        As well as something as simple as “tension” or “rigidity” or “fixation” or “compulsion.” If I say “you are bad” and there is a reflexive sense of being threatened, that is the “behavior” of insecurity .

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        Monty Python’s The Meaning of Life (video game) (Photo credit: Wikipedia)


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2 Responses to “the functional spectrum of meaningful vs meaningless”

  1. Lord Windemere Says:

    This Fibonacci guy seems right on about cancer. Enderlein and Warburg have independently shown that cancer is dependent on pH. Non-dietary approaches consist of carbonyl compounds such as 714-X and methyglyoxal, promoted by Naessons and Koch respectively.

    Cancer and respiration is an interesting topic, and I am half-way through Gilbert Ling’s Association-Induction Hypothesis right now.

    I am all ears when it comes to occult physiology. Keep up the interesting posts! and please tell us more about Qi.

    • jrfibonacci Says:

      Thanks for your comments. I am not sure what you mean by occult physiology (unless you basically mean foreign words for scientific principles that are beyond the conventional cognitive framework of mainstream western “scientists,” some of whom are more deserving of that title than others).

      As far as I know, huge amounts of popular western medical practice have either (1) never been established at to whether they provide a net benefit to patients relative to a placebo (although if the goal is profit or even depopulation, not health promotion, then benefits to patients are not a priority or even contrary to the priority) or (2) have been clearly established to produce a net “negative” result. When a pharmaceutical company’s business development manager wants to create enough demand so that people pay $600 for something that costs $10 to manufacture (for instance), then it can be very beneficial to pump money in a few directions.

      First might be lobbying for special legal favoritism (like the VICP program in the US in which about $3 billion dollars has been collected from US citizens and paid to about 4,000 people to protect the pharmaceutical companies from having to pay for their own neglect directly). Imagine the value of spending a few million dollars in lobbying to save $3 billion (or more) in legal liabilities.

      Second, there would be the creation of hysteria and fanaticism in relation to some medical condition plus the promotion of the idea that some particular treatment method is the only reasonable approach (because allegedly “health is just so darn mysterious”). So, the indoctrination of the masses (and medical students) about an essential nutrient like cholesterol can have them thinking of cholesterol as a demon that possesses their body and attacks them. That is hilarious to me. That indoctrination happens in the indoctrination rituals of mainstream schooling as well as through the mass media.

      Again, think of the billions of dollars of long-term profits from just a few million dollars of targeted investment to influence the curriculum of science textbooks and medical training, plus maybe a few million more to control medical licensing boards to protect the interests of the pharmaceutical companies. To me, it just makes sense what the PR firms and business development managers have done. Plus, it is so good to have a centralized government like the UN or the EU or the USA to protect the pharmaceutical interests from competition (and independent scientific inquiry).

      To me, much of western medicine is a hysterical religion of demon worship. Demons like cholesterol, cancer, obesity, and scurvy can be pumped in to the public consciousness and then attacked. People can be programmed to relate to DIAGNOSTIC LABELS FOR EFFECTS as causal forces. Again, that is hilarious.

      So, when someone is possessed by the demon of scurvy, that can produce a wide range of symptoms, such as skin issues, vision issues, pain, and so on. The patient can be sent to a variety of “specialists” who probably have no comprehension of physiology in general and specifically of the importance of Vitamin C in a wide variety of bodily tissues (like skin, eyes, and nerves).

      The people are pumped with paranoia and, when patients arrive, the medical doctors react in subdued hysteria in order to present the idea that they have exceptional competence in matters of health. Why do I say “subdued hysteria?” Because if the issue of scientific merit is raised to many MDs, their repressed hysterias may suddenly come to the surface. They hysterically defend their cognitive models (doctrines) about the demon of scurvy possessing an organism and, perhaps, depleting the Vitamin C levels. Their ignorance would be astonishing if it was not obvious that their ignorance has been carefully orchestrated through the indoctrination rituals of medical training.

      As for methods of health promotion that are well-established and even simple to understand, I recommend this more recent article of mine:

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