The hell of idealism: for starting wars, not for winning

J R Fibonacci Hunn One version of hell is “I need to get away from thoughts, like this thought of desperate panic… that I need to get away from something!!!!”

  • Daniel Fritschler I am in hell like most of the rest of humanity….good….that is solid
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Everyone within any branch of the imperial court system of Noah has been programmed with social paranoia (hell).
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn It is a fundamental aspect of the system of coercion, propaganda, and shaming.
  • Daniel Fritschler Right and there is no way out….anything said or expressed as a way out is bullshit
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn When those who are in hell are employed as teachers in public schools, the social program of social paranoia will be cultivated among all students, plus there is the cultural “transmission” from student to student, parent to child, etc. Further, anyone who is not in hell would (1) probably never be allowed to teach in public school and (2) would not want to (or not for very long).
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Of course, some who are not IN hell may be intrigued by the opportunity to train children and tame them. They may be the most efficient at instilling social paranoia in students.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Schools are just one format for the indoctrinating of children (or immigrants). And, if an anthropologist goes to a primitive human tribe, they will find a culture of social paranoia in ALL HUMAN SOCIETIES. The Noahide systems are just more efficient than primitive systems (in regard to indoctrinating/taming/breaking youth).
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn The presumption that “I need a way out” is a trap. When you understand what social paranoia is, you respect it. There is no need to get out of the context of social paranoia. 

    It is a behavior. “I need to change fundamentally so I will be OKAY” is the perpetuating of social paranoia, the practice of agonizing or stressing.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Respect the activity. Respect the social context of masses of people who are organized and tamed by the installing of social paranoia as their foundation for relating to life.
  • Daniel Fritschler It doesn’t matter because the cause of social paranoia is not being able to connect with others..if that remains there is no way out of social paranoia….lost cause….until I can be interesting or funny like everybody else.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn “I am not as interesting as other people” is bullshit. Different people will find you intriguing, boring, or repulsive. No matter what you do, SOMEONE will experience you in each of those 3 ways… unless you withdraw from interaction so much that you are not constantly exposed to the various responses that people can have.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Somewhere, there is a 4 year old ridiculing people like you.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn And the 4 year old is probably NOT on facebook ridiculing people like you.
  • Daniel Fritschler I am sure…do not know what you mean….spell it out please?
  • Daniel Fritschler I don’t know what you are getting at again
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn There are a bunch of 4 year olds gathered together in their contempt for people like us. They are displaying to each other their bravery to say “yeah, he is not nice and he should be!” They are congratulating each other on their intelligence at condemning you “the right way.” It is very dramatic.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn They have social approval from each other. How? By condemning some target of vilification, some Satan.
  • Daniel Fritschler But why a 4 year old….there are groups of grown men who repeat that behavior for their lifetime.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn “I hate people who practice all forms of idealism except the best one.”
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Re “there are groups of grown men who repeat that behavior for their lifetime.”

    Yes, until you see it for what it is, I might keep displaying it to you.

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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn “I just cannot connect with people like, you know, THOSE people. I am not frustrated about how they have been responding to me. No, I am just very fucking disappointed about how they have been responding to me. FUCK! I mean those people can just FUCK OFF. Yeah, THEY are the ones who are DISAPPOINTING ME. I am not disappointed by them or by their responses or by the ineffectiveness of the methods that I have tried so far. It is those FUCKING EMOTIONAL people like Robert Wielandt that fucking piss me fucking off.” 

    (Note: any similiarity between the above sequence of words and the recent “fucking emotional” comments of Robert Wielandt on the “Phil Robertson is a gay nigger” photo that Amie recently posted is purely coincidental.)

  • Daniel Fritschler So “the masses” are all competing over whose idealism is the best….meanwhile it is all bullshit because the competition is political in nature so may the biggest line of bullshit win?
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn “But I am NOT frustrated, so stop saying that. FUCK OFF! I am just very fucking disappointed, you fucking disappointing person. Yeah, you are disappointing, too, you piece of FUCK.”
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Sexual frustration is not related to homosexual behavior or homophobia in any way, right, because that would be just way too obvious, right? 😉
  • Daniel Fritschler No…I am frustrated and disappointed in how I have nothing to say that anybody cares to hear…..nothing relevant to the political struggle all around
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  • Daniel Fritschler I am not picking ideals and then pishing ahead with them… I am an oddball
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn The competition is ecological, biological, economic, political, and so on. The bullshit lines are relatively incidental. Christians with atomic weapons do need need bullshit lines to blow up Muslims in Iraq or bombs the Jews in the German ghettoes. The bullshit lines are for organizing the domestic herds of sheeple.
  • Daniel Fritschler To pick ideals and push ahead you will certainly meet others with the same ideals and then there is interest….pretty simple right
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Respect the idealism as a mechanism of social organizing. It does not win wars and that is not the purpose. It is just for starting wars.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Yes, so I “gently” make fun of people for participating in political struggle ineffectively. I invite them to spiritual distinctions and practical adaption, like in regard to money and time and health and language.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I’m not trying to connect. I’m practicing respect.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn It can be very repulsive to some people. So, in other cases, I will “connect.” My “apology” to Amie about “fake drama” was an example of showing her respect. Of course I had “made fun” of her/what she said, but not with disrespect/terrified repulsion.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I’m not obsessing about connecting. I do or I do not.
  • Daniel Fritschler And that is good for you….but my obsession is born out of my handicaps or the lack of sense of humor or interesting intellect…so that is the source of the desperation to connect…..nothing can be done about that
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn So, are you are awake to idealism now. You were already waking up and that led you to “connect” with me.

    Now, you are an oddball. You are the elite. Further, there are a lot more of the “elite” than your old propaganda may have suggested.

    In the exchange today between Amie (sister), Robert (brother), Vernon (their father), and I (unrelated), Vernon seems dignified and mature, while Robert displays a rather contrasting set of sequences of words. His concern for social approval seems quite intense. 

    If Vernon is as wise as I think he might be, I bet he would love to kick Robert’s ass so his little boy would grow up a little faster. Maybe I am wrong though. You can show this to Vernon or even Amie, but that is all part of your primary circle, not mine. [Amie is Daniel’s girlfriend, which is how I (JR) know her.]

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Your logic of “personal flaws cause desperation” is not persuading me. You may have noticed that.

    Desperation is a behavior. Personal flaws are a label. Labeling is also a behavior.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn The way of relating that you have been practicing produces desperation for… social validation. That is not a “wrong” interest, but an ineffective method. A large portion of the social validation of an adult in our culture is in the form of economic access. 

    One form of validation that you have access to is $11 every hour for 40 hours a week. You disrespect that social value, social valuing, social validation, social support. You display some kind of apologetic self-condemnation to appease your GUILT for receiving all of that validation (for “no good reason”).

    The system is unfair (of course- but you take issue with that) and so you feel guilty for participating in it. You created an excuse for cynicism (“nothing can be done about it”) and creating that excuse is what you were trained to do.

    What were you not trained in? Creativity. 

    Could you complain about it? Yes.

    However, the odd thing about spontaneous creativity is that you do not need any training in it. You just practice it and develop it.

    That is what “you cannot do anything about.” You cannot do anything about the fact that I confront you with the simple truth that your behaviors are the sails for you to adjust in accord with the wind (the rest of reality).

    Unlike most people, you are actually mature enough and ripe enough to be exposed to this content without attacking me. You have retreated several times in terror, but you kept coming back.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Recall the attacks of me on the Rage-Debate group [on Facebook] by Sean or Carl. Notice the lesser ripeness of Angela (which could be slightly more ripeness/intelligence than Natasha- right- around the same as Shelly) and then of course the intense tantrums of Robert.

    You should recognize in Robert much that is familiar to you. I do. He and I could have been twins!

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn You have been trained to disempower yourself. You are not alone in that. 

    What you cannot do anything about is the FACT that you have been perpetuating your own disempowerment. What you can do is notice how you (and others) disempower themselves, then stop doing that to yourself.

    • Daniel Fritschler Yes….yes….and yes
    • Daniel Fritschler Have you even considered that maybe I am just not understanding what you are saying and that I am more immature than the rest who attack you….I think that could be a strong possibility….consider it!!!!
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn LOL. Let’s take Robert vs you in regard to maturity and comprehension. Are you seriously going to tell me that he is more relaxed and more dignified and more intelligent than you?

      I picked him for the example in large part because I understand you have some in-person experience with him. As an experiment, feel free to share something of mine with him. Tell him you think my article is garbage and bullshit and exactly the kind of crap that you really hate. That is speaking his language, right?

      I bet he won’t make it down to touch his mouse to scroll past whatever shows in the first screen. Show the same thing to Vernon. Vernon will probably read it, appreciate it, and recognize your pretense about hating the kind of confusing, disturbing, complex shenanigans that I write.

      Nevertheless, there are 2 year olds and 20 year olds and so old. There is physical age and people have invented something called mental age (related to literacy and class and cognitive development). It may also be related to diet, by the way….

      Anyway, YOU may have a huge issue with presenting yourself as “below average” in order to be loyal to some social image, like for the comfort of other people. Maybe it is “if I am as smart as JR seems to suggest, then that really blows my favorite excuse. I really NEED this idea that I am flawed.”

      Fine. Keep it. Or make up a better one. Or do not flee to excuses.

      If you are only playing dumb, then yes that may be “betraying” some idealism that you have been protecting. Keep your idealism or betray it. Keep your ideals or betray them.

      I recommend respecting ideals and respecting idealism, then dropping idealism. Idealism, again, is for starting wars. If you do not want to be in a war or to start one, then consider that one thing that would be ideal for you would be to drop any idealism. That means noticing it with respect, then declining to add momentum to it, ceasing to perpetuate it.


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