Humility is a form of courage (& arrogance is unrecognized irony)

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Illustration of Facebook mobile interface (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

  • If all statements and therefore Facebook posts are just assumptions piled onto other assumptions for amusement purposes, then it really doesn’t matter what the level of sobriety of the person posting is…does it? I mean can’t it be just as entertaining to listen to a fool become even more foolish? I guess the question is who is posting Facebook posts of so much sincerity that it even matters if they are sober or not? Who has something to offer another that needs to be expressed with a sober mind? Talk about the height of egoism or arrogance…to think there is even something to offer another in statement form is to become more than a fool…or stuck in thoughts of confusion.
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    • J R Fibonacci Hunn A dog chases it’s tail. Is it the height of arrogance? Or, is it just fooling around?
    • Daniel Fritschler just fooling around…which is what everybody is doing…isn’t it… especially on facebook?
      Facebook at Mozcon - Alex

      Facebook at Mozcon – Alex (Photo credit: Thos003)

    • J R Fibonacci Hunn That one is an animated image. I don’t know if you can see the animation without clicking it.
    • Daniel Fritschler yes it reminds me of most people I know folllowing the trail but never seeing the essence of it
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Some are certainly more arrogant than others about their own foolishness. Some are very sincere and very distressed and very terrified.
    • Daniel Fritschler yes you are right…thank god we aren’t that way
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn So, can we recognize the foolishness of someone else as mere foolishness and forgive them for their terror or arrogance? Or are we so confused and foolish ourselves that we are terrified of terror- which is healthy enough- but then we go on to assert that our terror about their terror is less terrified? Well, if so, that is merely ironic. Arrogance is mere unrecognized irony. Agonizing is also unrecognized irony. Now that this is clear, how terrifying exactly is it when someone else is ironic and does not recognize it (yet)?
    • Daniel Fritschler I suppose it can be terrifying to the ones who don’t have clarity of the irony of chasing their own tail…but I don’t know because I haven’t recognized the irony yet either.
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn “OMG- that guy is so arrogant! OMG I know gibberish when I see it and Mr. Pooh does not! OMG that group is so terrified!” All of that could be the voice of terror- even unrecognized terror “Terror?!?! I’m not terrified. I am so not terrified that I will threaten you with ALL CAP LETTERS and even unfriend you to show how unterrified that I pretend to be!”
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn “You better believe that I am not terrified! You better agree! You better pretend with me! No, more sincerely than that! More convincingly! I’m starting to worry about whether you are really as terrified as I insist that you must pretend to be!”
    • Daniel Fritschler I suppose if using caps or unfriending is being terrified…or maybe it is a show? I mean what are you so terrified of then?
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn And, so, I will say this perhaps rather obscure thing: humility is a form of courage. Shelly B, do you get that (and you can read the whole sequence above for clarification)?
    • Daniel Fritschler can I ask you…do you see yourself as humble?
    • Daniel Fritschler arrogance is believing the foolishness long enough to be confused…humbleness is understanding the foolishness and having clarity about it . Why can’t you see that?
      The fifth of Thomas Aquinas' proofs of God's e...

      The fifth of Thomas Aquinas’ proofs of God’s existence was based on teleology (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

    • J R Fibonacci Hunn  Someone may be terrified of having friends on facebook who will not apologize when threatened with unfriending (back down from their threats to unfriend them). Of all things, what could be more terrifying than courage? Imagine a security guard at a jail cell. They guard the cell. They guard it from the inside. They make sure that no one else comes in. Others invite them to step outside of the security of the bars of the cell. “I can’t” says the security guard, “because I am on duty right now.” >>>> “Oh,really, well when do you get off duty?” Silence. Confusion. “I can’t. I… I… don’t know who will protect these bars from an intruder. I mean… What if someone unauthorized comes along and tries to lock the door to the cell?” >>>> “Okay, so the door is not locked and you are standing inside claiming to be on duty to protect the bars of the cell from unauthorized intruders, is that right?” >>>>> “Yes, sensei, now you understand my horrible predicament! Finally, someone who understands the tragedy and confusion of my situation!” >>> “Ok, yes, this is truly a serious problem. I’ll tell you what we must do. We have a training in 3 minutes that is absolutely MANDATORY for all security guards on how to properly protect the bars of your cell from intruders. Furthermore, it will be held in your cell, so just stay there. If I am even 1 minute late though, please come out to remind me about the training because I need to make a quick phone call first and, if I am late to the training, then you need to let me know by coming out of your cell and getting me because it would be truly horrific and terrifying if we fail to conduct this mandatory training within the next 5 minutes. I can barely imagine how terrifying it would be if we did not properly know how to stay up to date with all of the latest technology and state of the art strategies for how to stay in your cell alone and protect the bars from all intruders. There is NOTHING more terrifying than all of those crazy drunk people with the courage to risk intimacy and connection. Alienation is simply the most spiritually advanced form of partnership and happiness that we could ever pretend to worship!”
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn As for your question, no, you may not ask that. Anything else would be fine, but please not that. Please!
    • Daniel Fritschler ok right there you have described how most people run their lives by choosing what to allow in and what part of life not to let in or fight or protect against…but what does that have to do with the conversation or you or I?

      Portrait of René Descartes, dubbed the "F...

      Portrait of René Descartes, dubbed the “Father of Modern Philosophy”, after Frans Hals c. 1648 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

    • Daniel Fritschler that is how most others live the partial protected life
    • Daniel Fritschler instead of letting go of controlling what is “right” and what is “wrong” and seeing it all as a whole
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Nothing at all in what I wrote above is related to my own or your own life. I was merely pointing out how most people are total idiots, but certainly not us. We are much better than them, don’t you agree?
    • Daniel Fritschler no we are complete idiots too only we know that we are or are aware of it…right?
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn recognizing irony is the essential key which allows for the recognizing of irony.
    • Daniel Fritschler there is nothing intellectual or intelligent about being happy and loving…is there?
    • Daniel Fritschler yes I get the irony of your story
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn Hmmm… let me think about that for a while: how to be happy and loving. When I figure it out, I will get back to you.
    • Daniel Fritschler Truth is always non-utlilitarian….
      Confucius, illustrated in Myths & Legends of C...

      Confucius, illustrated in Myths & Legends of China, 1922, by E.T.C. Werner. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

    • Daniel Fritschler ok sir thank you
    • J R Fibonacci Hunn What could possibly be more utilitarian than being clear about what is true? It may not be labeled as “utilitarian” according to someone in a panicked terror of figuring out which training seminar to attend so that they can finally learn to be spontaneous. So what?
      That reminds me that my dog was passionately and sincerely arguing with me the other day about how it was not utilitarian of me to finish all of my own dinner. Wouldn’t it be much more utilitarian if I gave him, for example, 50% of my own meal? Because I am total and complete idiot, I spent about 2 hours messaging back and forth with him on facebook about it. Fortunately for me, I was convincing and so my dog and I have agreed that instead of me giving him half of my dinner, I will increase the size of my portions by 50% and then give him 1/3 of my dinner. I simply refused to concede to his insistent, domineering claim over 50%. After all, that is even more than the IRS gets!
      • Daniel Fritschler learning to be spontaneous is an ironic statement as clarity tells us that everything is spontaneous and it is only in confusion that we take things to be planned or owned??? so why are you talking so much confusion all of the sudden?
      • Daniel Fritschler i get it though you see me as a complete arrogant idiot of pure foolishness….message received loud and clear
      • J R Fibonacci Hunn Everything is spontaneous, but everything also unfolds according to purpose (to plan). There is such a thing as planning, right? There is such a label or category in language, right? >>>> So, in language, we can invent two categories called spontaneous and unspontaneous and then get a piece of paper and draw two boxes far away from each other and then list a bunch of things that go in one box and then a bunch that go in the other. That would be extremely utilitarian, right?
        Agonizing involves a set of BARriers (like bars of a jail cell) to spontaneity. The imposing of “mental enslavement” to cripple the masses with patterns of agonizing may be one of the primary evolutionary functions of religions (to influence natural selection in favor of the originators of the system of enslavement at the detriment of the target audience of the marketing campaign).
         I completely agree and when agonizing happens it would be impossible to have focus on the spontaneous as one can’t serve 2 masters so I see the connection. Also yes religions, governments, mass media are all functional in building the bars or barriers in most of the confused ones…
        • Daniel Fritschler I suppose everything is spontaneous…and it is ok to plan but I wouldn’t have expectations on the plans or that could cause agonizing….so plan away but learn that everything is spontaneous so there will be no confusion in the results or outcome
        • J R Fibonacci Hunn It is important to plan properly on how to completely avoid agonizing in the future. Expectations should not arise spontaneously unless they are on the pre-approved list made 4000 years ago today and translated 4 times. Language is NOT the root of all evil.

          •  Language is only the root of 33% of evil (though my dog insists that the exact measurement is much closer to 50%).
          • Daniel Fritschler Now you know as well as I do nothing can be planned “properly” to avoid anything…expectation will arise spontaneously but that doesn’t mean we must give them meaning or effort…if we go with expectations we set up agonizing or condemnation now why would any wise man want to intentionally do that???
          • Daniel Fritschler language is just a form of expression and has nothing to do with evil
          • Daniel Fritschler evil is not in the definitions but there is a definition of evil…
  • Daniel Fritschler wow no offense but your dog is a complete idiot and obviously completely wrong about his research…
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn You are missing the point. Definitions are evil. Language itself is evil. Do not ever use it. Please!
    Also, note that when religions impose barriers on things like sexuality, that might even favor the evolutionary success of the “target audience.” Maybe by having communal sexual inhibitions and living in close proximity with lots of other fertile humans in a well-organized arrangement called a “city,” the group of people gathered in the city can gather to advance the well-being of the entire tribe or clan or village or city.
    Some anthropologists suggest that the rapid increase in human population in recent centuries may be related to some recent developments such as agriculture and language and religion. Clearly, these madmen are evil and can be dismissed because they do not recognize the moral superiority of my dog over all other dogs.
    My dog is the monotheistic dog. Of all of the monotheistic dogs, mine is the very best and the only true one. The others are not really monotheistic dogs at all. They are in fact dyslexic nomotheists.
    In conclusion, polytheism is a threat to monotheism like the branches of a tree are a threat to the trunk.
    • Daniel Fritschler Wow you are saying some brilliant things there…I think I remember Mooji saying a lot of similiar things or was that some guy on Fox news or GOD…either way keep up the brilliance in all of your sincere statements and don’t forget to clown every once in awhile…gotcha
      • Daniel Fritschler Your dog has some problems brother and he might want to seek therapy of some sort….I am available if he can skype

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