the best way to play clueless mind games

I wrote this in facebook in agroup called “Mooji Sangha,” tagging Daniel in a post of the video below:

 

 

 Daniel Fritschler, I love this. Always remember that Advaita should be very intriguing to 4 year-olds and anyone who does not like Advaita must not be a true 4 year-old.

 

 

 

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  • Daniel Fritschler

    Ok fire away why am I tagged in this video? Arrogant facebook posts? Please explain if you don’t mind.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    I understand now with some thanks to you and others that there is nothing to share and nobody to share it with. The only thing worth sharing is the beauty of the 4 year old’s kingdom which is not passing words or concepts along to others.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    So everything is a concept…even if that is true or right so what? All the words are medicine to come to the understanding that there is nothing to get hung about, once the beginner’s mind sets in and you are 4…be 4 and full of wonder and not full of concept killing.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    I shared it with you because you are beginning to get the irony of worshipping confusion. To say “the only thing worth sharing” is totally arbitrary. What is worth sharing depends on who you ask. It is just an arbitrary concept.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Yes

    So the way there is relation to nature becomes irrelevant once nature becomes what it is?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    You still worship concepts. You believe there is some true inherent “only one way.” You are still learning moderation. You are agonizing like the “advaita enthusiast” in the cartoon.

    Instead of enjoying the video, you want to know why you are tagged.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Yes I do find that still happening but if it means anything it is not happening very often at all…at least in comparison to how often it was

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    “Why me? Why this? Tell me more?” I tell you that your agonizing is as beautiful as a tree. You say “why is MY agonizing as beautiful as a tree?”

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Well of course it is one representation of a tree of which there is an unlimited number?

    So it is as beautiful

    Acceptance?

    I am just clueless. Let’s just chalk it up to that

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Clueless is just a safe concept for you.

    It is your favorite excuse.

    You say it like you should be more “clued.”

    You crave clues and understanding, then you relax, then you dismiss, then you relax, then you crave again, and so on.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    The crazing is dying whatever that means

    Crazing

    Craving

    Wtf?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Dismiss is like “it is just because I am clueless.” Craving is “tell me, sensei, is it just because I am clueless?”

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Yes well it is my understanding until we dismiss desire and craving it will only cause anguish. But maybe not

    Dismiss in the sense of seeing it for what it is

    Nothing right or wrong about any of it

    So I don’t crave materialism but craving anything is the same thing right?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Until you recognize that dismissal is the same swinging pendulum as craving, then you will keep pushing the pendulum while claiming that you are pushing it to make it stop swinging.

    Craving anything is craving, yes.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Karma

    You just defined karma

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    If you dismiss materialism because you crave something else, then craving is dismissing.

     

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  • Daniel Fritschler

    Right but the pushing of the pendulum is the introduction of karma…yes or no? I mean one way or the other be it dismissal or craving

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    I just defined clueless agonizing.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Ahhh

    So that would put me in the same boat as billions of others then

    Seems to be happening yes

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Forget karma. It is some foreign word. I am not fluent in foreign words. I am clueless. What does it mean? What does “satchitananda” mean? What does “craving concepts” mean? What is the best flavor of ice cream to eat, sensei, if I am about to wear a blue t-shirt on a Tuesday?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    There is no answer to that

    Ok fine so forget all foreign concepts which would mean all concept because I can assure you there is being born and then being born into concept…two separate things alltogether

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    “Sensei, why don’t I understand what it does not matter whether I understand?”

    By the way, that is karma!

    When you watch the play of presumptions, that is not adding karmic momentum by craving or dismissing.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Yes that is starting to become clear

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    You just notice the irony. You notice yourself chasing your own tail (like a cat) in a tangle of ironic presumptions about yourself and how you should be.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Yes and how that cycle can be broken…

    I notice that but it is not being broken

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Yes, and “but how can it be broken” is more chasing. “I should break it” is dismissing it.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    So moderation is allowing flow to flow and not trying to interupt or control anything?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Trying to control is trying to control. Just noticing is just noticing.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Right so notice that there is control issues that is all.

    Once that is noticed there doesn’t have to be a controller then there doesn’t have to be anything controlled?

    That there*

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Let the control issues be. Try to control the control issues. Answer the question about the right kind of ice cream. Figure out the best method to stop focusing on a particular method.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    There is no method or answer about the ice cream…why do you keep asking questions that there is no answers for unless there is presumption first?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Remove the controller and then you can get in to heaven.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Heaven is just a concept

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Removing the controller is just a presumption.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    The right kind of ice cream is just a concept.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    I am starting to think my “problem” is that I have the intellect oof a 4 year old not just the mindset

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    What is the right way to just notice karma?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Umm there is no right way…just to notice would be enough which ever way it occurs

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    What is my real problem?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    I am not sure if you have one or any

    Talking to me probably

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Sensei, is my problem my mindset or my intellect or my choice of ice cream flavor?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    There is no problem.

    Problems are created just to be destroyed. Mind games

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    I am clueless about what the real problem is and there must be, so therefore being clueless must be a serious problem, right?

    There must be a real problem, right?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    No it seems to be no problem at all.

    Why does there have to be a problem?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    But I am am clueless about what my real problem is. Can you help me or not?!?!

    Is it my punctuation?

    Is it my karma?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    No I would think the one that creates the problem is the one that could see they are creating the problem and stop.

    It is no thing

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    If you cannot tell me my real problem, then how I am going to fix it?!?!

  • Daniel Fritschler

    There is nothing to fix?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    It MUST BE that I am clueless. I do not know whether there is nothing to fix or not. Do you?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    No I don’t.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Tell me, sensei, do I have a real problem or a fake problem or no problem or more than one? Why can’t you just give me a straight answer for once?

    You are clueless. You are not a real butt gin sensei.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Because there are no straight answers without presumption

    I am sorry I will TRY harder next time. Sorry to disappoint you oh master please forgive me

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    But are there gay answers? What about those? What about curved answers? Tell me now! I need to know now!

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Why do you care about answers so much. Live in the question and you too could be in heaven.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Which question?

    How do I know if it is a real question?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    I don’t know? What is there to even question? No idea…clueless here

    Without a clue there can be no questions and answers based on presumption

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    I do not know whether or not you are clueless, but I know that I must be clueless and that it is a problem.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Wow you KNOW a lot more than me no wonder I am not a real butt gin sensei….damn

    So close

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Why don’t I have any presumptions? Can you help me fix this or not?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Because there was a noticing of what presumptions can do or actually do.

    Presumptions keep the mind game going which is also a concept of presumption

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Tell me, are presumptions karmic or is karma presumptuous?

    But how do I stop playing the mind game? How can I finally win it?

    You know, once and for all!

    Is it knowing the right flavor of ice cream? I am clueless about which presumptions are the most important and holy and sacred.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    There are no winners or losers there is only a game and it seems presumptions must be karmic but you again didn’t really want an answer which is why you asked the question to point out foolishness in giving an answer on my part

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    My problem is that I am a fool. Noticing that I have been being foolish is the solution (the answer). But What is the right way to just notice that I am just noticing? How will I really know if I am just noticing the right way?

    How do I go beyond presumptions and karma ?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Well there is only one way to notice so how could it be right or wrong…there are an unlimited number of ways to be foolish and presume.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    How can I take my presumptions with me in to heaven?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    There is no going beyond just recognize

    You can’t no man can even see the kingdom unless he is born again

    Born again being presumption free

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Well I am not like that at all. I presume that I am clueless.

    I am going to stay here in hell if you don’t mind. Is that okay with you, master? Will you be alright without me?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Still going with the sarcasm bit…you reverse psychologist you

    Yes you can stay in hell if you want

    The question is why choose?

    For the record how does one distinguish between heaven and hell without presumption….tell me master right now damn it?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Okay. Now I get it. The question is why choose! I will get back to you when I win the mind game. Give me a few hours or at least a few years and then when i figure out the way to make eternity start, I will get back to you.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Haha…nice one

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Oh… One more thing: what is the difference between agonizing and ice cream?

    (Obviously, I mean chocolate)

  • Daniel Fritschler

    There isn’t one…is there?

    One is enjoyed and one isn’t generally speaking.

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    I am talking about real ice cream here, not that crap that I do not enjoy.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    But I could hate ice cream and enjoy agonizing if I wanted to be arrogant about it

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    I do not enjoy agonizing and I am not arrogant! Why do you say such things to me?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    What is real ice cream and what is fake?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    And how can I taste the difference?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Ahh the I couldn’t taste the difference. The noticing couldn’t see a difference

    It is what happens after the noticing that differentiates

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    What good is just noticing? I do not get how it could ever help me with any of my problems.

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Again to notice is never a problem…mind games present problems that have no basis in truth(concept). So what good is having problems? If you can just notice?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    What good is it to be clueless if I can just not have a clue whether or not I am clueless?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Yes clueless being a presumption it would be impossible for YOU to be clueless only presumption can be

    Noticing alone cannot be clueless, can it?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    What is the best way to insist that I am clueless and that I need you to answer the questions that I really need someone to answer for me?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    To take on an identity as a helpless clueless butt gin sensei on facebook perhaps?

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    Is that the mind game that will end all mind games?

  • Daniel Fritschler

    It wouldn’t seem so. Then again there is no mind game that will end mind games.

    Mind games will always be happening

    It isn’t about ending them

  • J R Fibonacci Hunn

    I give up. I thought you could help me fix my problem of agonizing about being clueless about the right way to just notice the how ice cream punctuates, but I am beginning to questions whether or not you have a clue about that or if you are just playing mind games against me. Ttyl

  • Daniel Fritschler

    Ok  I am sorry to disappoint you. Ttyl

     

     

 

 

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