Part 1 of 2: FRUSTRATION, resignation, and Zen / Adavita / Jnana Yoga

SB said of the following content:
“Hats off to both of you. Daniel was incredibly brave and JR was incredibly thoughtful.”
English: Kevala Jnana of Mahavira

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Daniel Fritschler
Another day and another dollar…oh well when you are a misunderstood dimwitted prick like me what else to do? It isn’t as though love is an option so might as well continue on the path to hate and say all of the ignorant things so I can keep my perfect record going. Point is I will never understand anything it is all so tricky and to be a dimwit I might as well continue to speak with a forked tongue…what fun would it be to be in a place “beyond” wrong and right doing. What fun would it be to be in a place “beyond” choosing a side and then trying to make everybody else agree with me? What fun would it be to understand that love and joy are conditionless and as soon as we put conditions on life we have eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I am evil…I am good…I am indifferent or I am what I am. Does it even matter really?

 

J R Fibonacci Hunn Well, “if it is alright with you,” then resignation is certainly an option. Do you any more detail to share in public about what has been going on for you (or in private)?
  • Daniel Fritschler Really nothing just random, seemingly for no reason bouts of frustration??? Why am I frustrated no idea…
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Frustration typically is a sign of an unfulfilled desire or commitment. There is also irritability- but 
    “for no reason” probably means there is a reason, but until you relax enough to be aware of it, it will be “a mystery.” However, people around you may have some suggestions for what is important to you that, when unfulfilled, precedes moments of frustration.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Sometimes the issue is that frustration is so familiar as a way of attracting attention from others, that it is instantly there. Maybe you just want certain kinds of interactions (or to avoid certain kinds of interaction). Frustration is always a signal of SOMETHING. As you relax, clarity will arise naturally without any effort needed, though some “effort” may also arise naturally.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn If the desire is something you consider “evil,” then the kind of comments you made above would reveal the kind of ego inhibitions that are being “pushed” in to consciousness by the desire. “Do people understand me? Shouldn’t they?!?!”
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn “hate or love?” “what should I say?” “Why don’t THEY get it/get me?”
  • Daniel Fritschler pretty silly when you put it that way…
  • Daniel Fritschler probably right on though
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Look for unfulfilled expectation (of yours in particular but even of others). Do you expect others to have similar expectations as you? Do you expect others to value the “objectivity” of refraining from arguing?
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Are you frustrated if others keep wanting to argue? Are you frustrated because other people are?
  • Daniel Fritschler it doesn’t really matter who or what gets me i suppose. what is there to get I have alienated the world and there is no way to take any of that back. So now it is what it is
  • Daniel Fritschler no i am frustrated because I feel as though it doesn’t matter who agrees or who argues there is just nobody around and i suppose that is my fault in a sense
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn or maybe “I have alienated the world” is imprecise. You may have invested in behaviors that produced relative seclusion or privacy. So what?
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Ok, so you want to reach out and you are not reaching out. (to other people)
  • Daniel Fritschler agreed. Most moments so what? But some moments is seems frustrating
  • Daniel Fritschler correct in a sense
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Ok, when you feel the disappointment of too much privacy, then reach out. When you feel too much interaction, slow down or withdraw.
  • Daniel Fritschler yes there is a balance to be had and I am working on that balance. Reality is there is noone to reach out to. Which I am sure has something to do with the way I reach out. What is done is done so just to accept isolation is all that is left I guess
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn forget “there is no one to reach out to.” that is just medicine. after you take the medicine and recover, then stop taking the medicine.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn if there is isolation, you could accept it. If there is an urge to connect and commuincate, you can act on it or not.
  • Daniel Fritschler yes this is all being created for nothing. Just a “bad habit” i suppose maybe I should just resign maybe it is time
  • Daniel Fritschler I am unable to communicate how I feel obviously which is part of the problem cant find the words
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn then shut up and listen
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn or interact with very little kids or animals. they will not distract you with words.
  • Daniel Fritschler yes the sounds of silence which I do enjoy…it seems you have cleared up my “problem” for the moment. Thanks
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn I presume that you want to interact with a variety of people in a variety of ways, but you can focus first on whatever is the most resonant for you. Go to a loud concert. NO one will complain that you are not talking much!
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn More important than communicating what you feel can be to just feel what you feel. Take the opportunity to feel. When you are ready to communicate, you will.
  • Daniel Fritschler yes that is exactly what I needed to hear…feel it and the time will come when putting words to it will come. sounds “right” or sounds like that is the source of the frustration
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Sharing the feelings is as simple as being present with someone. Anyone attentive and perceptive will feel the feeling without you saying anything. Also, I do things like play music (write music or listen to it). I watch comedy. I do lots of things to “nurture” my emotional health- from sad music to angry music to funny music to amazing virtuousity.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn If you are frustrated that you are not doing everything, then do more. If you are frustrated that you are doing too much of something, then do less or just stop, at least for a while.
  • Daniel Fritschler yes it seems this just takes getting used to. It is too easy to still believe a thought and run with it but everything you are saying is right on. Just feeling like a poor little me at times still but I understand that is just holding onto comforting lies and not letting go
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn We may get accustomed to being pressured a lot- by parents, school, work. When that familiar pressure is not present, it may be strange- even disorienting. That is normal.
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  • Daniel Fritschler yes exactly
  • Daniel Fritschler It seems I need to just sit back and enjoy what it is that I enjoy and everything else will take care of itself. this is what at times I am not doing and becoming frustrated
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn Interacting and communicating can be good for bringing the thoughts in to attention. Instead of having them run around in the background, you can write them down- even if you send them to no one.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn If you are pretending not to enjoy things you enjoy, that could be very frustrating.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn it takes a lot of energy to maintain a pretense like that.
  • Daniel Fritschler yes maybe I should start writing them down and not sharing foolishness with others. Yes it does take a lot of energy need to stop fighting what is.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn it can be good to have some inhibitions on “getting lost” in enjoyment. Fighting and inhibitions are part of what is.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn enjoy in moderation. write stuff down in moderation. share things in moderation. “fight what is” in moderation.
  • Daniel Fritschler yes moderation…the middle road…everything in moderation that sounds peaceful enough
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn and then be aware that there are times to be extreme as well, so “everything in moderation- including moderation itself”
  • Daniel Fritschler yes so just flow instead of trying to guess or effect the flow
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn peace- in moderation. activity and conflict- in moderation.
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  • J R Fibonacci Hunn go with the flow- in moderation. effect the flow- in moderation. Remember, you are the flow. Occasionally it is useful to take the medicine of “there is nothing but THE FLOW” … but only in moderation.
  • Daniel Fritschler so the recurring theme here is moderation in moderation and lack of this is causing frustration
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn well, you know, what they say: “frustration- in moderation.”
  • Daniel Fritschler haha yes I suppose they do. So all is the part and part is in the all.
  • Daniel Fritschler the whole point is to welcome it and not fight it when it is happening
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn the cure for feeling frustrated is to feel the frustration.
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn or at least that is what “they” say.
  • Daniel Fritschler yes just like everything else feel it no need to verbalize it
  • Daniel Fritschler yes “they”
  • Daniel Fritschler Very good my friend appreciate it all
  • J R Fibonacci Hunn there is something about verbalizing that is also a recurring theme. there are things that you want to talk about/chat about and people that you want to talk to. stop pretending otherwise. We can talk again another time. if you want to send me contact info, go ahead.
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