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new myth, old god (and the origin of heaven and hell on earth)

April 14, 2012

 

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NEW MYTH, OLD GOD


myth 

1830, from Gk. mythos “speech, thought, story, myth,”
[C19: via Late Latin from Greek muthos:  fable, word]
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/myth
Santa Claus with a little girl Esperanto: Patr...

Santa Claus with a little girl Esperanto: Patro Kristnasko kaj malgranda knabino Suomi: Joulupukki ja pieni tyttö (Photo credit: Wikipedia)


Myth means a story. Specifically, a myth is a story told for the purpose of influencing an audience (whether or not that purpose is recognized or admitted).
Even more specifically, myth could mean almost any sequence of words. We can contrast myths with other sequences of words, like a simple list of different colors- such as red, white, and blue- which does not qualify as a story, right?
As an example of a myth, I could tell a story about a character named Santa Claus (or “Father Christmas“), who once upon a time met some children and bribed them by promising them a pleasant surprise in the near future. So, the story I could tell about Santa Claus might be influential whether or not any particular element of the story is already popular or famous or familiar.
I could call the story a metaphor or a parable or a joke or a legend or an anecdote or just a story. Even if a story is labeled entirely true, the telling of the story could still be for producing some result by influencing an audience. Since there may be no other reason for speaking except to promote certain results through influence, any story could be a myth.

If some people doubt or even reject the literal references of a story, that story can still be a myth, right? If some people believe the literal references of some story, the story can still be a myth. If some people even argue over a story, the story can still be a myth.

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Raffaello Sanzio – The Creation of Eve from Adam – WGA18600 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Hundreds or even millions of people could go to war with each other after hearing stories and then practicing, refining, and rehearsing those stories. The stories may or may not be completely true, but that may not really even be especially to the people. Some people may be more eager to argue or launch an attack than to research the details of a particular story. Some people may be more eager to make a certain purchase or cast a certain vote than to question the stories that are motivating, organizing, and producing those actions.
Mythology

Mythology (Photo credit: KairosOfTyre)

People organize their time and their behavior and their finances based on stories. However, perhaps only a few people may be curious to explore the stories that inform or form their patterns of behavior (and the results produced by those patterns of behavior).
Mythology is the study of stories told for the purpose of influencing an audience, such as the curriculum of a class or a commercial advertisement. Studying the art of story-telling and the art of influence or communication is one possible meaning of the word mythology.

1375–1425; late Middle English mythologie  < Late Latin mȳthologia
< Greek mȳthología. See mytho--logy

study of – Gk. mythos “speech, thought, story, myth,”

Masaccio, Brancacci Chapel, Adam and Eve, detail.

Masaccio, Brancacci Chapel, Adam and Eve, detail. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

In summary, a myth is an influential story. So, a “new myth” would be any influential story that is unfamiliar (“new”). The following is a new myth about an old god.
Once upon a time, there was an old god. The god had been around for a very long time, even longer than any of the stories about the old god. The god was so old that the god was called eternal, since the god was older than any stories about the god, all of which were actually invented by the god, who also invented language.
 
One old story about the god called the god by the name Indra. This story was one of the oldest stories about god. Indra was also called “huta,” which meant the invocation. By the way, invocation basically means an influential sequence of words, such as a myth.
 
So, that old word from the Sanskrit language was eventually written in some recent alphabet as “huta” which was later modified in to other words like ghuta and ghut and guth and goth and gott and god. So, the word “god” was first formed a little over a thousand years ago, but, even before that word was formed, other similar words were formed like Indra and Allah and Jehovah and YHWH and Buddha and Tao and Saturn and Set and Loki and El.
 
Indra is the god-king of heaven and god of thu...

Indra is the god-king of heaven and god of thunder, lightning and rain. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

god

O.E. god “supreme being, deity,” from P.Gmc. *guthan
 (cf. Du.god, Ger. Gott, O.N. guð, Goth. guþ), from PIE *ghut-
 “that which is invoked” (cf. Skt. huta- “invoked,” an epithet of Indra),
from root *gheu(e)- “to call, invoke.”
Origin: 
before 900; Middle English, Old English;  cognate with Dutch god,
German Gott, Old Norse goth, Gothic guth
[Old English god;  related to Old Norse goth,  Old High Germangot,  Old Irish guth  voice]
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god
So, god is a relatively new word- just over a thousand years old- representing a very old idea. “God” has to do with invocation and voice and authority and authoring as in the creating of distinct experiences through variations in speaking.
 
For instance, in one influential story, God declares a distinction between heaven and earth. Earth is the realm of external experience as in subjective perception. Heaven is the realm of internal experience as in conception or concepts or conceiving or creating or identifying or labeling.
 
So, it is said that “as above, so below.” This means that the realm of earthly experience is a product of or partner of a heavenly conceiving, as in the “immaculate” conceiving.
 
God speaks things in to existence as the reality or realm or kingdom of experience. The realm of heaven or kingdom of God is the authority of language or the reality of myth.
 
The 1st English edition of The Kingdom of God ...

The 1st English edition of The Kingdom of God Is Within You. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

 

After all, myths are a distinct part of reality, right? Myths are real stories that can be really influential. 
 
Myths are the origins of identity and experience. Myths are tools for training audiences in a particular way to relate to life. 
 
For instance, one way to relate to life is to identify particular elements of life to repress as shameful or evil or sinful or even incurable problems (since if I personally do not recognize any possible solution already, then obviously it is not possible that anyone would ever recognize a possible solution, so the problem is labeled incurable, which could just be a reflection of my ignorance of physiology or psychiatry etc). Anyway, once we have declared some sacred taboos as “the negative,” then there could be particular patterns of behavior identified that one can take to compensate for those shameful realities, as in earning one’s way in to heaven from out of hell. That is the myth of living in hell because of some “original sin.”
 
That is a perfectly valid story to tell, right? There are other stories that one could tell, but that is a very popular one.
 
Santa Claus

Santa Claus (Photo credit: Natashenka)

Another related story is that there is a god who does not condemn any perception or pattern, but recognizes the reality of something called innocence, like an innocent mistake. God forgives. God says things like “if there seems to be a problem with someone else’s perception, remove the identifying of that problem from your own perception. Stop relating to the rest of reality as a set of problems. Start some introspection. Remove the blindness and filters from your own perception first, then perhaps you can assist others in removing any perception of problems from their perspective. Remember, the perspective is the source of the perception- including a perception of a problem, which is a way of relating to something as in identifying yourself in relation to it.”
Santa Claus

Santa Claus (Photo credit: Christopher S. Penn)

 
So, are myths problems? In other words, are influential stories problems? Or, are influential stories just real influential stories?
 
Which is more important: to save the world from the problem of influential stories or to study the reality of influential stories so that one is clear that relating to influential stories as a problem is just one of many valid ways to identify or labels myths? Whichever story you tell, that is the story you will experience.
Papyrus 111 Nederlands: Papyrus 111

Papyrus 111 Nederlands: Papyrus 111 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

20The Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God would come. He answered them, “People can’t observe the coming of the kingdom of God. 21They can’t say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘There it is!’ You see, the kingdom of God is within you.”  http://gwt.scripturetext.com/luke/17.htm
20Being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The Kingdom of God doesn’t come with observation; 21neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you.”20  http://worldebible.com/luke/17.htm
And having been questioned by the Pharisees, when the reign of God doth come, he answered them, and said, ‘The reign of God doth not come with observation; 21 nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.’   http://yltbible.com/luke/17.htm
20Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is withinb you.”  http://niv.scripturetext.com/luke/17.htm

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within youhttp://kingjbible.com/luke/17.htm

Halloween

Halloween (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God comes not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, See here! or, see there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.  http://kjv.us/luke/17.htm

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And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you. http://asvbible.com/luke/17.htm

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 And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come? he answered them, and said: The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For lo, the kingdom of God is within youhttp://drb.scripturetext.com/luke/17.htm

20 And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you. http://erv.scripturetext.com/luke/17.htm

Star Wars - Darth Vader

Star Wars – Darth Vader (Photo credit: Wikipedia)


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 And when he was asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation. 21 Neither will they say, Lo here! or lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you. http://websterbible.com/luke/17.htm


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 Being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God was coming, He answered, “The Kingdom of God does not so come that you can stealthily watch for it. 21 Nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ –for the Kingdom of God is within you.” http://weymouthbible.com/luke/17.htm

The Kingdom of God Is Within You (Russian: Цар...

The Kingdom of God Is Within You (Russian: Царство Божие внутри вас) is the non-fiction magnum opus of Leo Tolstoy first published in Germany in 1894, after being banned in his home country of Russia. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

John 18:36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world….”
New Living Translation (©2007)
Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom….”
Santaclaus at Helsinki Cathedral Suomi: Joulup...

Santa Claus at Helsinki Cathedral Suomi: Joulupukki Helsingin tuomiokirkon edustalla (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Cover art by Mike Grell.

Cover art by Mike Grell. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

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Batman #1 (Spring 1940). Art by Bob Kane and Jerry Robinson. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

http://thefineartdiner.blogspot.com/2011/11/destiny-and-wizard-of-oz.html

myth is a modern word (from the Greek) for an older Sanskrit word:

maya:

maya  (ˈmaɪə, ˈmɑːjə, ˈmɑːjɑː)
— n
Hinduism  illusion, esp the material world of the senses regardedas illusory
[C19: from Sanskrit]

ma·ya

[mah-yah, -yuh]  Show IPA

noun Hinduism .

1.

the power, as of a god, to produce illusions.

2.

the production of an illusion.

3.

(in Vedantic philosophy) the illusion of the reality of sensoryexperience and of the experienced qualities and attributes ofoneself.

4.

( initial capital letter ) Also called Mahamaya. a goddesspersonifying the power that creates phenomena.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/maya

Mythology - Hypnos

Mythology – Hypnos (Photo credit: Jess*Lo)

 

a dialog on God (definition of “God”)

March 19, 2012

A dialog on God

Have you ever reviewed the origin of the word “God?” All references to the English word “God” reference back to the Old Irish word for “voice” and further back to a Sanskrit word for the linguistic archetype “Indra” of Hinduism.

[Old English god;  related to Old Norse goth,  Old High Germangot,  Old Irish guth  voice]

god

O.E. god “supreme being, deity,”
from P.Gmc. *guthan
(cf. Du.god, Ger. Gott, O.N. guð, Goth. guþ),
from PIE *ghut- “that which is invoked” 
(cf. Skt. huta- “invoked,” an epithet of Indra),
from the root *gheu(e)- “to call, invoke.”
From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god

Where is God?

God is everywhere.

If God was only in one place, though, what would be the name for where God is?

God is in Heaven.

Where is heaven?

I don’t know, but it’s not out there. Out there is the world.

Dome of the Rotunda of the Church of the Holy ...

Dome of the Rotunda of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, Israel (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

How does God interact with creation, like how odes God interact with the world?

God creates the world. God is in heaven and, from heaven, God forms the world. The world forms according to God’s Will. Whatever God wills in heaven to happen, the world out there fulfills or produces.

What does God do to produce things- like how does God produce a particular thing? Ow does God operate when willing things in to existence?

God just names things. God blesses things with attention and then gives them a specific name. God separates things in to categories, like sorting things in to groups of similar stuff. When God is willing for something to happen, then it just happens by itself, but I don’t know if God even knows exactly how things happen. Gods wills for thing to happen and then they happen. It can be instant. That’s what I read at least.

Can you describe to me how you run?

What?

How exactly do you run? What do you do?

I don’t know. I just basically think of running and then running happens by itself.

So how exactly do you digest things? Do you even think about digesting things?

No. It just happens without me even thinking of it.

Okay, so some things happen without you thinking of them in advance and some things happen just by thinking of them, right?

Right.

But there are other things that you focus intently on doing, like when you are figuring out what instructions to give someone to get from one place to another. There are things that only happen if you concentrate, right?

Sure , but what about God?

God just wills things- like naming an outcome- and then things can happen by themselves, right?

Sure, okay.

So, who has access to God?

Everyone has access to God. Anyone who can use words can talk directly to God.

So God is the capacity or function of identifying something as an outcome and then it just basically happens by itself, like for you running is a function at which you are competent to create at the level of God. You just think of running and then it happens by itself.

No, I’m not God. God is in heaven. I’m out in the world.

Are you out in the world?

Of course!

Look closely. Do you see yourself out there?

I could. I could see myself in the mirror or see my hand or feel my head.

Are you sure that’s you?

Yes!

It sounds like a body though. You see a body out there in the world, right?

Yeah.

But are you that body?

What are you talking about?

Can one part of your body see another part of your body?

Well, my eyes can see.

But people can have eyes without seeing- like blind people. Are you a body or do you just have a body?

Well, I guess I have a body.

So what are you? Are you the result of the body or can you direct the body?

I can direct it.

Great. Now let’s back up: where is the one place that God lives?

Heaven.

And where is heaven?

Well, heaven is wherever God is.

What is heaven like?

Well, everything is perfect in heaven.

Perfect! That’s it!

What?

Everything is perfect in heaven. If something is imperfect, that imperfection is in the world. Imperfection does not happen in heaven. God is in heaven saying that everything is perfect, then thinking about what God is willing to happen and they those things can just happen, like out there in the world, as distinct from in here, in heaven..

And where is heaven?

Yes, that is the ultimate question, isn’t it? Heaven is in here, where God forms the world out of language.

But what if the world does not form from out of language?

Well, then everything would be heaven.

What?

Language is what isolates the world from heaven or isolates God from anything else. God creates the world with language. Before God creates the world, there is just God in heaven. In fact, before language, perhaps there is no heaven and no God in it. God says how the world is going to be, and then the world is that way. The world is the way it is because God says that the world is the way that God says it is going to be.

So, are you saying that I’m God?

No, I was not saying that you are God, but you just did.

So who are you then anyway?

That is an excellent question. Who do you say that I am?

The Child of God.

And so it is written- and it has been spoken for many centuries before it was written- that those who do the Will of God shall be called the children of God. Who would know God’s Will so perfectly to be able to identify those who do God’s will and then to call them the children of God?

God.

That’s right. So, who are you?

Well, I guess that if I’m not the body but just have one, then I’m whatever I say I am.

And what do you say that you are?

God?

Was that a statement or a question?

Well, that was a question.

Says who?

I say so.

Exactly. So if it is the way it is simply because you say so, then who are you?

God, I don’t even know what to say.

If you say so, then you don’t know what to say, right?

Well…

Anyway, I asked “who are you” and the first few words you said in answer were “God, I don’t know” or something like that, right?

Right.

So, I asked who are you and the first word you used to answer was “God,” right?

Oh yeah.

Yes?

Yes.

So you say you’re God because you say you’re God, right?

Wait, that’s not what I said.

Well then who said that?

Oh, so you’re just saying that God is language itself, right? God is just the one in heaven that is speaking the world out there into being, into form!

Well, that’s not exactly what I said.

Whatever.

Whatever?

Yeah, whatever. Anyway, I say that God is just the one creative process in heaven that is speaking the world out there into being, into form, by using language. God is the one word that language forms as a word symbolizing the creative function that uses the rest of language to form the world into being.

So who are you?

Who do you say I am?

You’re me. We’re the same.

Okay, and who do you say that you are?

Oh, that’s easy. I’m the one that uses language to form the world into being, including you. In other words, I’m God. I’m in heaven. The world only happens inside of my speaking. I speak the language of heaven and then heaven shows up out there, too. The language of heaven is a match between what is spoken in here and what happens out there.

Says who?

Exactly.

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