Posts Tagged ‘Abraham’

before language separated church and state

April 21, 2012
"I believe in an America where the separa...

“I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.” – John F. Kennedy (Photo credit: Chris D 2006)

I found a truly amazing website today. It is for those with open minds and emotional intelligence, as in spirits of grace and hearts of peace.

In other words, some of it would be extremely disturbing to various mainstream beliefs- like terrifying. So, for those with courage, here is some background.

Earlier today, I saw a page of the site and wrote this in response to it:

http://jrfibonacci.wordpress.com/the-linguistic-isolating-of-justice-from-money/

I published that long commentary as a page rather than a post because the content is more controversial than I wanted to put on the front of my blog this morning. As of this afternoon, however, I am still reading the website that provoked my response and I find that site’s content quite fascinating- maybe as exciting as when I first found the books of Douglas Harding and finally all modern religions (of the last few thousand years) were clear as branches of a single tree. Well, this goes even deeper- at least in terms of the intersection between history and mythology.

So, I find the scholarship behind that site excellent- mostly- though perhaps lacking in a certain distinction about the function of language in general and in particular of authority in language (as referenced in the link to my comment this morning). Here is the site: the site

Again, consider that his connections of facts are excellent, but his interpretations may be subjective. I have already sent him an email inviting a dialogue. (AND HE PROMPTLY REPLIED, SEE http://jrfibonacci.wordpress.com/the-linguistic-isolating-of-justice-from-money/#comment-4641 )

A statue of Justice on the tympanum of the Old...

A statue of Justice on the tympanum of the Old Supreme Court Building, . (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

My basic concern, which leads to the title of this blog post, is with his interpretation that there was ever a conflict between temple priesthoods and bankers (courts, governments) at some time in the past. In other words, this is about the alleged separation of church and state.

I say that governments are religious and ritualistic and that there never was a separation between church and state, which is just a propaganda myth issued by the ruling “churches” of modern government. Here is some evidence:

US Supreme Court building, front elevation, st...

US Supreme Court building, front elevation, steps and portico. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Note also that many court buildings of today have columns just like the temples of Greece and Rome and Egypt and Babylon. Court systems of today are the temples of ancient times. The US Senate is an exact duplicate of a European Cathedral. The Washington Monument is a phallic obelisk in Washington D.C. of religious architecture from Egypt.

Of course, that is also an interpretation. However, I expect that any archaeologist would agree that the first centers of civilization (human population) were temples and only later that courts (and cities and bazaars of merchants) evolved from those central temples.

The Senate's side of the Capitol Building in DC.

The Senate’s side of the Capitol Building in DC. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Further, most of mainstream science is challenged by the content of the site linked above. However, I consider the temples of old to be the direct ancestor of the ruling court systems of today. I am not aware of any actual evidence to the contrary.

Troy writes of the first lunar cults and their activities on the steps of their temples:

Français : Sacrifice humain chez les Aztèques ...

Français : Sacrifice humain chez les Aztèques English: Aztec human sacrifice (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

“It’s almost impossible to contemplate what these Bluebloods were thinking of in their belief that disgusting and perverted rituals (like human sacrifice) could alter the physical courses of physical planetary bodies.  However, it seems this toxic nonsense was now a worldwide phenomena.”

That is a horrible interpretation. The author (Troy) presumes sincerity in the public statements of the high priests of ritual human sacrifice (whether Aztec, Holy Roman Inquisition, modern judicial execution, etc). The priests told the people that these sacrifices appeased the gods. That was just propaganda. That was just the published rationalization. That claim was just part of the terrorism and tyranny.

From the Bible, we know the story of Abraham and his son to be executed as a sacrifice to God. That however could be just a model for public propaganda, just a parable, just a rationalization published by the priests of the empires of human sacrifice.

Troy’s lack of reference to the basics of propaganda seems unusual. Clearly, he is a smart guy. He even makes some rather direct references like in his section “ritual as validation of the elite.” He just only went as deep as he went.

Sure, Moses may have interpreted various natural events as instructive in regard to what is practical and functional for humans. So what? He could have just said so directly, right? However, the story of Moses is a justification or rationalization for a moral system of rewards and punishments, as in a legal system or a justice system.

I recently saw someone reference the US Constitution(or maybe it was the Declaration of Independence) as sacred. It is. Sacred is a way of relating to something. Some people treat court systems and governing systems and “originating documents” (like Constitutions of ink and Commandments etched in stone) as sacred and holy. Consider the origins of the Book of Mormon. 

Washington Monument, Washington D.C., United S...

Washington Monument, Washington D.C., United States as viewed at twilight/dusk. Taken by myself with a Canon 5D and 24-105mm f/4L IS lens. Español: El Monumento a Washington al atardecer Magyar: A Washington emlékmű Polski: Pomnik Waszyngtona o zmierzchu (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

So, why do Western churches often have brutal depictions of whipping and torture and crucifixions? Perhaps it is to shock, awe and terrorize people- and remind them of the power of the Empire. It could be the same reasons that gargoyles of flying monkeys are on cathedrals- to frighten conformity, just like with the wicked witch in the story of Oz and her squadrons of flying monkeys (agents of her court system of violence justice).

James Cook, English navigator, witnessing huma...

James Cook, English navigator, witnessing human sacrifice in Taihiti (Otaheite) c. 1773.jpg James Cook, English navigator, witnessing human sacrifice in Taihiti (Otaheite) c. 1773. Engraving from an 1815 edition of Cook’s ‘Voyages’ (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

lyrics: “1 2 free 4 me” (rejected by a Pharisee)

April 19, 2012

I was a pharisee

The Meal at the House of Simon the Pharisee

The Meal at the House of Simon the Pharisee (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

With an attitude
I knew the right way
And I would tell you
I had an answer
For every question
And some evidence
To back it up
Justification

Rationalization
Argumentation
Documentation

The Pharisees Turn Away from Christ - medieval...

The Pharisees Turn Away from Christ - medieval stained glass detail, Canterbury Cathedral (Photo credit: chrisjohnbeckett)

I won every debate
That I had with a wall
Well, according to me
Cause I was beyond flaw
Other perfectionists
Pretend to act like me
They were just wanna-bes
I was the real thing
the Queen
Of the drama
And of the tragedy
I was the expert
On anything.Then I met Josh
The one too free for me

He was a poor man
Born in the shade of a barn
From the poorest parts
Of a land of poverty and war.

He didn’t talk right
He didn’t think right
He didn’t act right
He sure didn’t shame right
He didn’t wash his hands
He broke the holy rules
He ate with pimps and whores
lawyers and thugs and fools
He was too patient
He was far too strange
He gave people relief
and taught them to be sane

So the obvious problem
Was how do we silence him

The Pharisee and the Publican by John Everett ...

The Pharisee and the Publican by John Everett Millais, published 1864, from "Illustrations to 'The parables of our Lord'", (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

He was 1 2 free 4 me
Way 2 free to be
walking on the same streets
As a holy pharisee

He was one too free for me

The Boy Jesus in the Temple

The Boy Jesus in the Temple (Photo credit: Lawrence OP)

he was a lunatic

and a heretic
he was arrogant, insulting
and offensive
he’s not a prophet
He’s not a Moses
Who does he think he is
this young punk they call Jesus?

His stupid parables
are so confusing
what does he even mean by
“for those who have the eyes to see?”

and then he claimed to be
older than Abraham
I say he’s trying to overthrow

our revolution

Galileo facing the Roman Inquisition, painting...

Galileo facing the Roman Inquisition, painting by Cristiano Banti (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Dispute of Jesus and the Pharisees over tribut...

Dispute of Jesus and the Pharisees over tribute money (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

I mean next thing you know
he’ll probably claim that the earth
goes around the sun
of god



Again the basic problem
Was how do we silence him

He was 1 2 free 4 me
Way 2 free to be
walking on the same streets
As a holy pharisee

Muhammad leads Abraham, Moses, Jesus and other...

Muhammad leads Abraham, Moses, Jesus and others in prayer. Persian miniature (Photo credit: Wikipedia)


He was one too free for me

He was a major threat
to my vanity
my animosity
my suffering
my hypocrisy
my idolatry
my shame and my hate and my identity
Pharisee and Publican - Tewkesbury Abbey

Pharisee and Publican - Tewkesbury Abbey (Photo credit: Walwyn)

This new song is something of a variation on the theme of “the one too free for you” from March 2011:

Acts 5:34 But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who 

But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the law, who was honored by all the
people, stood up in the Sanhedrin and ordered that the men be put outside for a 
//bible.cc/acts/5-34.htm – 17k

Luke 18:10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee 

“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 
One was a Pharisee, and the other was a despised tax collector. 
//bible.cc/luke/18-10.htm – 16k

Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: ‘God, I 

The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not
like other men–robbers, evildoers, adulterers–or even like this tax collector 
//bible.cc/luke/18-11.htm – 17k

Luke 7:39 When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said 

When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man
were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is 
//bible.cc/luke/7-39.htm – 18k

Matthew 23:26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup 

….. Blind Pharisee! First  You blind Pharisee! First 
//bible.cc/matthew/23-26.htm – 16k

Luke 7:37 When a woman who had lived a sinful life in that town 

When a woman who had lived a sinful life in that town learned that Jesus was eating
at the Pharisee’s house, she brought an alabaster jar of perfume 
//bible.cc/luke/7-37.htm – 17k

Luke 11:38 But the Pharisee, noticing that Jesus did not first 

But the Pharisee, noticing that Jesus did not first wash before the meal, was surprised. 
//bible.cc/luke/11-38.htm – 16k

Luke 11:37 When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited 

When Jesus had finished speaking, a Pharisee invited him to eat
with him; so he went in and reclined at the table. 
//bible.cc/luke/11-37.htm – 16k

Luke 7:36 Now one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner 

Now one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, so he
went to the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 
//bible.cc/luke/7-36.htm – 16k

Luke 14:1 One Sabbath, when Jesus went to eat in the house of a 

One Sabbath, when Jesus went to eat in the house of a prominent
Pharisee, he was being carefully watched. 
//bible.cc/luke/14-1.htm – 16k

Acts 23:6 Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and 

Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called
out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee 
//bible.cc/acts/23-6.htm – 18k

Philippians 3:5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of 

circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin,
a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee 
//bible.cc/philippians/3-5.htm – 17k

Acts 26:5 They have known me for a long time and can testify, if 

They have known me for a long time and can testify, if they are willing, that according
to the strictest sect of our religion, I lived as a Pharisee
//bible.cc/acts/26-5.htm – 17k

John 3:1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a 

A 19th century depiction of Galileo before the...

A 19th century depiction of Galileo before the Holy Office, by Joseph-Nicolas Robert-Fleury (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

 There was a man named Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader who was a Pharisee
Nicodemus was a Pharisee and a member of the Jewish council. 
//bible.cc/john/3-1.htm – 15k

Luke 18:14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went 

 I tell you, this sinner, not the Pharisee, returned home justified before God. 
//bible.cc/luke/18-14.htm – 17k

Mark 2:16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him 

 But when the Scribes of the Pharisee sect saw Him eating with the sinners and the
tax-gatherers, they said to His disciples, “He is eating and drinking with 
//bible.cc/mark/2-16.htm – 17k

John 7:48 “Has any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed in 

 Has any ruler or any Pharisee believed in him? 
//bible.cc/john/7-48.htm – 15k

Luke 7:40 Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you 

 Then Jesus answered his thoughts. “Simon,” he said to the Pharisee, “I have
something to say to you.” “Go ahead, Teacher,” Simon replied. 
//bible.cc/luke/7-40.htm – 16k

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